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What are some good Mixed Walls in OU Hail?

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asked Mar 5, 2013 by Flare

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I'm no boss at hail but I have probably used it more than any other user in existence, except Delko :P I would battle with hail 20 times a day for months.
That aside I have no problems with the other answers, though they don't really help with the synergy at all. In a hail team you have a big weakness to Rock, Fire and Fight. Running Pokemon like Mandibuzz and Jirachi are not going to help so much synergy wise. Heatran is usually a solid option having solid defense and spdef as well as a way to absorb fire attacks aimed at the team. Obviously though Heatran still has its problems being weak to fighting types. So I suggest a dual defensive core of Celebi and Heatran. Together they can really troll with the opponents team, stalling with Protect and recover as well as inflicting paralysis on the opponents team allowing slower sweepers such as Kyurem to wreck teams if you do so choose a slow Blizzard abuser. It sets up rocks and are incredibly solid defensivly being broken by almost nothing with ease excluding a few Pokemon such as mixnape (who even then doesn't OHKO Celebi and Heatran with CC and Overheat). It does not resist rock but Celebi can deal with Tyranitar using Giga Drain on the switch in before baton passing out to lock the Tyranitar into pursuit on Heatran. Heatran has then can lots of tricks up his sleeve being able to burn those pesky physical attackers who otherwise break the core. This is my favorite core to use and works great on a balanced hail team.


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Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 8 Spd / 248 HP / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Will-O-Wisp
- Stealth Rock/Earth Power/Roar
- Protect

Stealth Rock being main choice can ruin many teams that rely on switching. This works nicely with Frosslass being able to set up Spikes also while being able to spin block and abuse both its ability and Blizzard. Protect is scouting and stalling. Protect and Baton pass work very nicely and shut down many teams that rely on prediction and choiced users. I myself have been smashed by a similar core. Hail and Sr damage stacks up because of Protect and Wil o wips shuts down sweepers.

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 20 Spd / 252 HP / 236 SDef
Calm Nature
- Baton Pass
- Giga Drain
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Baton Pass is preferred over U-turn for its ability to avoid pursuit who over wise ruins the core. It allows Celebi to stay in for one and Giga Drain a Tyranitar on the switch in before it tries and traps you. Thunder Wave shuts down sweepers and Recover stalls.

The core given may looks more special defensive but they also work as a nice physical walls thanks to w.o.w and their many resistances that they can abuse by switching.


Overall I think this core will suit you better as Pokemon like Walrein are now outdated and die to all common threats in the meta as well as being great set up fodder.

answered Mar 5, 2013 by Blobyolo
selected Mar 5, 2013 by Flare
Wow I have been typing this out for over 17 mins? that doesn't even look like 17 mins worth :L
Sorry no ba when started.
Sowy Blob I went off for a few hours. I didn't see your beautiful answer shimmering in the midst of my question with green light all around it. :)
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Ferrothorn

After a long stint at the top of the leaderboard, Ferrothorn has started to decline in usage but is hardly less effective. With access to Spikes, SR, and Leech seed (but not all at once, sadly) he can support his team well and heal himself fairly well to boot. A crippling 4x weakness to Fire hurts, though.

Jirachi

Jirachi has two main purposes in life: Iron Head Flinch and a great mixed wall. With Steel typing allowing it to tank Draco Meteors like a boss and the ability to hit physical or special makes him a force to be reckoned with.

Cressilia

Cresselia, for instance is something I like to use every now and then because she's the best counter to DD Multiscale dragonite. She also counters all types of terrakion (X-scissor doesn't 2hko), landorus, haxorus, and a multitude of offensive Pokemon in general. Sure, she doesn't phaze or put up any hazards. She can't wishpass either. But she avoids becoming what other defensive walls usually end up being (a complete momentum killer for you, not your opponent) by being scared of very little. By running hp fire on my (what else?) sun team, cresselia is able to lure in the Scizor part of the Scizor/Rotom duo and pick him off without any prediction. She also countered excadrill, and when blaziken was around she took care of him too (mixken lost, and drought was absolutely necessary for SD AdamantKen to stand any chance).

Quagsire

One word: Unaware. Quagsire is able to stall out all boosters with his gift of an ability. Recover, Stockpile, Curse, blahblahblah.

answered Mar 5, 2013 by Sciz
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Damn. OU. I guess Walrein and overcoat Mandibuzz are out. Magic guard Reuniclus might do the job. A Sigilyph with cosmic power and magic guard can work too. If you feel like dipping into UU, Mandibuzz and overcoat Escavalier can work as well, though the latters abysmal speed and fire weakness make it a risky choice on a hail team. There aren't really too many mixed bulk ice types, especially in OU. You might need to be creative.

answered Mar 5, 2013 by Mechanism L