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Can Cresselia knocked out in the first turn of a battle by a non-Uber Pokemon?

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Basically, can Cresselia be OHKO whiteout any support from Stealth Rocks, weather, a stat raising move and Status Condition but with a Critical Hit and/or a Choice item equipped by a Pokemon outside of the Uber tier?

asked May 28, 2013 by Flafpert
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia in sun: 421-496 (94.81 - 111.71%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia in sun: 382-451 (86.03 - 101.57%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

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Best answer

First set of calcs are without critical hits.


252+ Atk Life Orb Kingdra Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia in rain: 144-172 (32.43 - 38.73%) -- 4.3% chance to 3HKO


252+ Atk Bisharp Night Slash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 156-186 (35.13 - 41.89%) -- 83.52% chance to 3HKO


252 SpA Alakazam Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia: 144-170 (32.43 - 38.28%) -- 2.27% chance to 3HKO


252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia: 273-322 (61.48 - 72.52%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 308-366 (69.36 - 82.43%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia: 291-343 (65.54 - 77.25%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


So we are seeing some guarenteed 2HKOs from some of the heavier hitters of UU and OU. Choice Band Scizor with STAB + Technician boosted Bug Bite = 2HKO. That says it all for physical bulk.
Gengar LO + STAB Shadow Ball = Guarenteed 2HKO and that's with 252 HP and 4 SDef.
Going to try out some crit calcs now, I think we'll be seeing some OHKOs by Scizor and Gengar this time.


252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 620-732 (139.63 - 164.86%) -- guaranteed OHKO


252+ Atk Conkeldurr Payback (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 322-380 (72.52 - 85.58%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 231-273 (52.02 - 61.48%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO


252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 373-441 (84 - 99.32%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Cresselia in rain on a critical hit: 256-303 (57.65 - 68.24%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 564-666 (127.02 - 150%) -- guaranteed OHKO


So the only times we are going to be getting a OHKO on Cress without hazard or weather support is with a critical hit. Even then only super effective attacks will be getting the full KO. Cresselia is a beast, anf while she can tank many hits there are many she can't. TTar and Scizor are biggest threats in OU, and as most TTar run Pursuit you want to be careful of them. Scizor also generally run Pursuit so here's a calc without the crit,

252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 138-164 (31.08 - 36.93%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

and with a crit

252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 278-328 (62.61 - 73.87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Good luck killing that sucker.
Calculator link

answered May 28, 2013 by MrKijani
selected May 28, 2013 by Flafpert
2 votes

Yes

252+ Atk Choice Band Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 613-723 (138.06 - 162.83%) -- guaranteed OHKO

answered May 28, 2013 by Viking Jofly
Nice Rampy, I should make a TR Doubles team with him xD
2 votes

Yes, Cresselia is capable of being 1HKO'd by many non-uber Pokemon with or without a Choice Item, such as

  • Crawdaunt (Smogon's Trick Room Sweeper Set):

    • 252Atk Dark Gem Adaptability Crawdaunt (+Atk) Crunch vs 252HP/4Def Levitate Cresselia (Neutral): 104% - 123% (464 - 548 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

    • 252Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt (+Atk) Crunch vs 252HP/4Def Levitate Cresselia (Neutral): 90% - 107% (404 - 476 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 44% chance to OHKO.

  • Absol(Super Luck-Based Set):

    • 252Atk Absol (Neutral) crit Sucker Punch vs 252HP/4Def Levitate Cresselia (Neutral): 131% 155% (582 - 690 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
  • Scizor(Standard CB VGC Set):

    • 252Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor (+Atk) Bug Bite vs 252HP/4Def Levitate Cresselia (Neutral): 93% - 109% (414 - 488 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 59% chance to OHKO.

Note: Smogon's Standard VGC 2012/2013 Set was applied.

Source: Kalashnikov Damage Calculator and Smogon's VGC Cresselia Sets

answered May 28, 2013 by Enoch.EXE
edited May 28, 2013 by Enoch.EXE
Crawdaunt FTW
2 votes

The only thing

252+ Atk Choice Band Escavalier Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 422-498 (95.04 - 112.16%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO

answered May 28, 2013 by AlphaDraconis
That's the same chance as CB Darmaitan (Adamant) using Flare Blitz under sun.