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Counter for Liepard/Breloom lead in VGC battles?

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As you fellow DB-users know I play VGC and Doubles. Only the last few days I ran into a solid lead that I can't stop. Liepard/Breloom. My question is how to counter this lead?Their EVspread are as followed:

Breloom @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Protect

Liepard @ Dark Gem
Trait: Prankster
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Thunder Wave/Taunt
- Swagger
- Foul Play

Mainpurpose:

Liepard Fake Out on turn 1 and Loom Spores, Liepard continues to Swagger and Foul Plays around, While Loom kills the pokes at Low Health.

Someone on PS already told me to use Prankster Thunderus but I need a few more Counters. Note: This may be a pair of Pokemons since Doubles uses two pokes at the same time.

asked Jun 23, 2013 by AlphaDraconis
Cheesbrain, that is one good question +1

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Ok, I might be a noob when it comes to Doubles which you proved several times whilst battling, but sometimes noobiness and some logic might have found a unexpected solution.

My plan was the following: Any Flying move can deal with Breelom but it needed more than 70 Speed to outspeed that Spore. At the same time though, both needed to be immune to Liepards Fake Out, so I had to get a Ghost and Inner Focus user.
Here is the 4 Pokemon I found that could destroy the Lieloom core:
Drifblim
Drifblim @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Aftermath
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
- Hypnosis

Or
Gengar
Gengar @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb

And as the partner:
Mienshao
Mienshao @ Life Orb/ Flying Gem
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- U-turn
- Acrobatics

Or
Lucario
Lucario @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk
Hasty Nature
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Protect
- Blaze Kick

The plan is simple:The Ghost of your choice uses a Flying move on Breloom, instakilling it. At the same time Mienshao or Lucario can take the Fake Out and retaliate with a Figthing move.

I have no idea if this work, but it is a option. If nothing, it will be unexpected enough to score a few hits.

answered Jun 23, 2013 by Flafpert
selected Jun 23, 2013 by AlphaDraconis
Stone Edge > Acrobatics if you're not using Gem. Also Regenerator instead of Inner Focus for Mienshao if you're holding Life Orb.
Also Acrobatics + Flying Gem would do well on Unburden Drifblim.
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AC, I have been thinking about this and I think I have a solution. Escavalier and Dusknoir.
Escavalier @ Leftovers
Trait: Swarm
Nature: Adamant
EV spread: 252 Atk, 150 HP, 202 Defense
Moveset:
- Protect
- Megahorn
- Iron Head
- Sword Dance
Dusknoir @ Lum Berry
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Bold
EV spread: 252 Defense, 252 Special Defense, 4 HP
Moveset:
- Trick room
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow sneak
- Earthquake

Since you have battled me countless times you probably already know what is coming next. On the first turn you use protect on Escavalier and and trick room. Escavalier can't be put to sleep due to protect and Dusknoir can't flinch due to it's immunity to normal. Even If the foe's Breloom uses spore on Dusknoir, it will recover due to it's Lum berry. Under Trick room it Escavalier can take out Liepard, Breloom ( I recommend Breloom because you wouldn't want to be under spore). After Breloom taken out Liepard would be in trouble. It would only have two possibilities:
1. Use foul play on Escavlier and do massive damage
2. Use swagger on Dusknoir and afterwards spam foul play
3. Use substitute, then swagger and afterwards spam foul play.
The latter one would be a problem but using shadow sneak would immediately get it out of it's substitute and then you could hit hard with a stab Megahorn

Hope this helped

Patattenboer xP


This is another option

Garchomp @ Lum berry
Trait: Rough skin
Nature: Jolly
EV spread: 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Outrage
- Fire fang
- Earthquake
- Rock slide
Spiritomb @ Lava cookie
Trait: Infiltrator
Nature: Adamant
EV spread: 248 HP, 252 Attack, 8 Sp. defense
Moveset:
- Sucker Punch
- Shadow sneak
- Trick
- Will-O-Wisp

The first moves are pretty simple. Because Garchomp has high attack stat Liepard would probably use swagger on it. What the foe doesn't usually expect is Garchomp holding a lum berry. With it's attack stat being powered up it uses Outrage and liepard is taken down. Breloom goes with spore on Spiritomb. Waking up with lava cookie it uses Will-O-Wisp. When the next turn begins Garchomp uses a stab outrage OHKOing or nearly OHKOing Breloom. If it survives the turn it will probably be taken out by it's burn


This is also an option

Rotom-S @ Choice specs
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EV spread:4 Defense, 252 SpAtk ,252 Spe
Moveset:
- Volt Switch
- Trick
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power( Fighting)
Crobat @ Flying Gem
Trait: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EV spread: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Moveset:
- Acrobatics
- Taunt
- Tailwind
- Brave Bird

Even though it looks a little obvious what this pair is going to do I will explain anyway. Firstly Rotom-S uses Trick and tricks Liepard into using one move, this will probably be Foul Play or Swagger. Then using acrobatics or brave bird to take out Breloom you don't have to deal with spore spam. Now that Liepard is stuck in one move you can take it down in all peace and serenity. But don't overreact because after all , liepard are very sly.


This is going to be one of my last suggestions:

Infernape @ Lum berry
Trait: Iron Fist
Nature: Jolly
EV spread: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 Defense
Moveset:
- Mach Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Fire Punch
- Close Combat
Hitmontop @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
EV spread: 252 HP, 126 Atk, 126 Defense
Moveset:
- Quick Guard
- Close combat
- Taunt
- Rock Slide

Ok, this one is very simple. You firstly use Quick Guard to prevent fake out from being used. Then you just commence with sweeping that team. Using Mach punch on Liepard and the job is done. Getting rid of Breloom won't be a problem too.

I will keep adding more

answered Jun 23, 2013 by Aeternis
edited Jun 26, 2013 by Aeternis
Wait. Infernape learns ice punch?
jOjO, you realise Infernape doesn't get Ice Punch, right? xD
oh lol, my bad xP