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Iron ball vs life orb on trick room victini?

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Pokemon holding heat rock uses sunny day then switch to trick room victini

asked Jun 29, 2013 by Deopullus

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So Trick Room Victini is gaining more use, as V-Create is powerful STAB while allowing its speed to keep falling and continued Trick Room sweeping.

I wouldn't recommend Sunny Day, since that wastes a move. Maybe use Ninetale's Drought or just go to Trick Room straight away.

Victini @ Life Orb/ Choice Band
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
Nature: Brave
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- Zen Headbutt
- Brick Break/ U-Turn/ Protect

Protect is for doubles; Victini makes a decent doubles Pokemon with Victory Star (and also with Doubles, please remember Life Orb instead of Choice Band).

In singles, Life Orb might be better in some cases, considering that if Victini was Choiced, it would be forced to switch out from Flash Fire Chandelure (which is ever popular in UU). However, Life Orb would sap health & Victini has no recovery method, and to be honest... even un-choiced, I would switch out from Chandelure anyway.

Watch out for Sucker Punch users though. I've also faced Trick Room Victini before, and I just stalled Trick Room out (Slowbro is one Victini's biggest counters, due to resistance to Victini's STAB moves, being a prime Trick Room abuser & having incredible physical bulk).


I would also recommend using a Trick Room set up, and I'll list some examples:

Whimsicott @ Leftovers/ Iron Ball
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Sp. Def
Nature: Relaxed
- Trick Room
- U-Turn
- Encore
- Leech Seed

Whimsicott has the benefit of Prankster, and a switch out move (U-Turn). Iron Ball would work better on Whimsicott than on Victini, since Whimsicott has a high speed of 116, and V-Create would decrease Victini's speed anyway. Plus, Iron Ball isn't a draw back for Whimsicott since it has Prankster - Trick Room and then U-Turn escape. Another upside is that your opponent can't predict this set, because Trick Room Whimsicott is nearly never used.

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Def
Nature: Quiet
- Trick Room
- Recover
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Vicitni is susceptible to Flash Fire Chandelure. Porygon2's Trace will give it Flash Fire, and Normal typing gives Ghost immunity. Porygon2 also serves as a bulky sweeper as well, and can abuse Trick Room itself, meaning it's not a one trick pony.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 4 Atk
Nature: Sassy
- Trick Room
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Sneak
- Brick Break/ Pain Split

Dusknoir has the benefit of being immune to Fake Out, and therefore able to set up Trick Room immediately (well, unless Taunted). It's got fantastic bulk, and a wide selection of stalling moves.

answered Jun 29, 2013 by fondant
edited Jun 29, 2013 by fondant
Oh cool Victini can learn U-Turn :D Sweet.

Dusknoir's ability is Pressure not Pression.
Sorry; that was a weird typo.
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Trick room Victini is not a recommended set, but if you really want to use it, then I would suggest this for your Victini:

Victini @ Life orb/leftovers
Trait: Victor Star
Nature: Brave (-Spe, +Atk.)

Moveset:

  • V-Create
  • Fusion Bolt
  • Brick break
  • Trick Room (eventually Zen Headbutt if you already have a trick room user)

Iron ball is not recommended, because even with an Iron ball, it can still be outspeed by slower Trick room parasites that outspeed it due their terrible speed. Life orb is better since it powers-up Victini's already powerful moves.

Using a Pokémon with heat rock and sunny day works perfectly, but I recommend to you drought Ninetales. Just like Groudon it summons permanent sun. This can only be broken by a Pokemon with Drizzle( Politoad(Kyogre)), Sandstream(Tyranitar, Hippowdon), Snow warning (Abomasnow). Ninetales has a decent special attack and special defense stat and can perfectly be your Sun starter.

Hope this helped

answered Jun 29, 2013 by Aeternis
Actually, it works pretty well in Trick Room, as long as you know what you're doing. V-Create lowers its Speed, so it'll make it much harder of a hitter. Also, Victini can learn Bolt Strike. Use 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef EVs.