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Lapras or starmie need to know!

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they both have theire good parts and bad parts

mine both have the same moveset
phychic
ice beam
thunderbolt
surf

asked Oct 18, 2013 by the cool heracross
So you want to know which you think is better to use?
Which game is this? Or is this competitive?
it is competitive

3 Answers

2 votes

Starmie

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Lapras

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Starmie

Starmie's stats:

HP: 60
ATK: 75
DEF: 85
Special ATK: 100
Special DEF: 85
Speed: 110

Starmie's role: Special Sweeper.


Lapras

Lapras's stats:

HP: 130
ATK: 85
DEF: 80
Special ATK: 85
Special DEF: 95
Speed: 60

Lapras's role: Special Staller


1: The Comparison

  1. Starmie's HP is 60, it's by far weaker than Lapras's 130 HP.
  2. Starmie's Attack is 75, it's slightly weaker than Lapras's 85.
  3. Starmie's Defense is 85, this is a little bit higher than Lapras, who has 80.
  4. Starmie's Special Attack is 100, this is stronger than Lapras's 85.
  5. Starmie's Special Defense is 85, this is just a bit weaker than Lapras's 95.
  6. Starmie's best stat lies in its great speed, 110, which is certainly higher than Lapras's poor 60.

2: The Deduction

Starmie is a special sweeper, this is known. It serves multiple roles, as being the special sweeper, Rapid Spinner and so on. It has decent defensive, but a bad HP stat, and enough attack to do some baby damage with Rapid Spin, which has the ability to clean the field. It has a very good speed with a nice special attack, making it able to use a specs set. Starmie has a great potential overall, and I used to love it, but not much today.

Lapras is certainly not the best Pokemon to run your imposed set, I could see it using a ResTalk set. It can annoy with Toxic and heal with Hydration, in a rain team, by using Rest. This makes it dangerous. When you see a Lapras, you are scared that this one has a different set than what you expect. This implies that Lapras can pull a use, on its own, to help your team with a supporter role.


3: The Verdict

A competitive use of one of both is hard to choose, I would even get both if possible. If not, then I would analyse the team, and see some points: Have it got a SR weakness, it is stopped by Ferrothorn, do it lacks a Specially Defensive Pokemon ?

Starmie can fill many roles, and from them, Rapid Spin. Lapras has a lesser extent of use but can still spam Ice Shard on Dragons.

I would see sets:

Starmie @ Focus Sash:
Trait: Natural Cure
EV: 252 Speed / 252 Special Attack / 4 HP
Mild Nature

  • Rapid Spin
  • Scald / Surf / Hydro Pump
  • Ice Beam / Blizzard
  • Psychic / Thunderbolt

Rapid Spin will clean up your team from Leech Seed, Stealth Rock, Spikes and Toxic Spikes, so even if it deals baby damage, it's essential to Starmie, except if your team is super anti-SR.
The Water move could be Scald, for dealing burn, Surf, for decent power, or Hydro Pump for extra power and lesser extent (Accuracy / PP). The Ice move is coverage, but 90 % of the time, it will be the former, I named Ice Beam. Finally, Psychic gets STAB, while Thunderbolt provides 2 things:

  1. The Coverage
  2. The Bolt-Beam combo

Lapras, while not common competitively, can pull off his status and become a wall in any rain team with its hidden ability, I name Hydration. I could really see it pulling off this set:

Lapras @ Leftovers:
Trait: Hydration
EV: 252 HP / 200 DEF / 60 Sp.Def
Careful nature

  • Rest
  • Ice Shard
  • Confuse Ray
  • Bulldoze

This set is very rare, but I see in it a lot of potential, the first being to annoy any opponent. Rest is a proof ; whenever your HP goes down, have Drizzletoad in your team, just Rest and Hydration will wake you up, ending up in massive efforts from your opponent to OHKO, but failure, and then frustration. Ice Shard is kinda a priority with STAB, so I believe it may stop or try to stop Scarfchomp to harness your team's potential. Confuse ray can be very annoying, especially against a setup Pokemon, like Scrafty, who sets up both Bulk Up and Dragon Dance. Finally, my strange last choice, Bulldoze can be an exceptional coverage providing Lapras to outspeed some Pokemon, thus having time to Rest or to confuse them.


4: The choice

It completely depends on your team. Comment this answer by posting your members, then I may edit this answer to answer this criteria.

Hope I helped !

answered Oct 18, 2013 by RecreativeReshiram
Starmie should never run a Mild nature simply because it's using Rapid Spin; the damage output of rapid spin is laughable and doesn't warrant a defense lowering nature. Moreover, Analytic is better for offensive sets so it can 2HKO all spinblockers on the switch-in. Focus Sash is an awful item for Offensive Rapid Spin Starmie as well. It needs to use a Life Orb in order to make up for its somewhat lackluster Special Attack and the Focus Sash isn't suited to what it needs to do at all. That Lapras set is extremely ineffective - especially in OU. The only (somewhat) viable lapras set I could see be used in OU is Curse/DDRest and even that is a stretch. Confuse Ray is a near-useless move which doesn't accomplish anything at all. Your Lapras set is so easily set up on and dismantled by plenty of OU Pokemon such as Thundurus-Therian, Starmie, SubCM Rachi and more. Finally, Starmie isn't a sweeper. It is an attacking support Pokemon which can dish out offensive pressure whilst also being able to Rapid Spin.
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Starmie generally outclasses Lapras - especially as a water-type special attacker. Not only does it have a really impressive movepool consisting of gems like Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Psyshock & Hydro Pump, but it also can effectively use other support moves like Rapid Spin.

answered Oct 18, 2013 by Labyrinthine
i'll have you know lapras can learn all those moves and has exeptional special attack
'85' isn't exceptional by OU means; in fact, it is far from it. Furthermore, Lapras doesn't have access to either Rapid Spin or Psyshock.
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Starmie- Works Well as a spinner w/high speed, you generally just need to slap a Life Orb on. Although if you just want to full on attack, there's that option too.

With this set, the idea is to rip through your opponent as quickly as possible.

Timid @ Life Orb
Analytic

  • Surf
  • Ice Beam
  • Thunderbolt
  • Psyshock

For Lapras- Generally slow but bulkier.

For this set, the idea is make Lapras as bulky as possible with curse (SpD already has 252 EVs figured in) so she can take more hits, and take care of those pesky Dragons with priority Ice Shard. Rest heals of damage and because of Hydration, will wake up right afterwards.

Sassy @ Leftovers
Hydration

-Curse
-Ice Shard
- Waterfall
-Rest

All in all, it depends on what exactly it is the rest of your team does; the two of them both have their own pros and cons. :B

answered Dec 18, 2013 by Zaidiia