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What are good counters to Mandibuzz and Gliscor?

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By now I'm sure a lot of people have come across at least one if not both of these Pokemon in a competitive battle. Personally I can't stand seeing them on the team preview and I'm tempted to switch the DS off...

Obviously they're both weak to Ice type attacks but what I'm really interested in is what will OHKO them easily without getting crippled themselves with the Toxic stalling. I hate having stall battles, I don't want to play Pokemon like that and I can't blame people for using them with Mega Kangaskhan running about.

I quite like the idea of using obscure/unique Pokemon. Would a Weavile work well or would I be looking to run something more standard like a Mamoswine? But the aim is to try and get an OU Pokemon that can OHKO Mandibuzz and Gliscor without having to set up and risk them setting up Roosts, Protects, Substitutes etc.

asked Dec 16, 2013 by Tinybandicoot

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I'm going to add my opinion however I'd like to say that HellDoom gave an excellent answer, with Infiltrator Crobat / Thundurus-T.
Alright so, first off both Gliscor and Mandibuzz have great physical bulk. Since most are physically bulky, using something like Weavile or Mamo wouldn't neccesarily be bad, but Gliscor/Mandibuzz are still able to take their attacks

252+ Atk Weavile Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 180-212 (42.4 - 50%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Weavile Ice Punch vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 316-376 (89.7 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 376-448 (106.8 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHK
252+ Atk Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 212-252 (50 - 59.4%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

It's more of a problem against Mandibuzz, due to it's ability to then take an Ice Shard from either of them and roost off the damage, stalling them out if neccesary. Mamoswine also doesn't like facing Gliscor behind a Substitute, unless running Icicle Spear.

Anyway bla bla bla you're looking for offensive counters right? Don't expect to have a Pokemon which can OHKO both Mandibuzz and Gliscor. Mandibuzz's good special bulk prevents such a thing from happening. However Pokemon like Rotom-W can deal hefty damage with Hydro Pump and Volt Switch / Thunderbolt

56+ SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 366-432 (103.9 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
56+ SpA Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 246-290 (58 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
56+ SpA Rotom-W Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 192-228 (45.2 - 53.7%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Mandibuzz can still roost off Thunderbolt damage though due to higher speed, unless you're running a fully offensive Rotom-W (eg. Scarf) In which it would 2HKO Mandibuzz and OHKO Gliscor no problems.

Also like HellDoom said Thundurus/Thundurus-T are also good offensive counters;

252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 300-354 (70.7 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 366-432 (86.3 - 101.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 324-384 (92 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Thundurus-T Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 396-468 (112.5 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If you want to look for more defensive counters to those two, taunt users are the way to go. Skarmory variants with enoguh speed to outspeed and taunt, or against tauntless Gliscors and stuff wall it to no end. Sableye can take on both, Will-o-wisping them and taunting them, watching them die slowly while recover stalling.

answered Dec 16, 2013 by Sempiternus
selected Dec 23, 2013 by Tinybandicoot
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This is a bit bizarre but I came up with the idea of using an infiltrator crobat. Since he is a poison type he is immune to toxic, infiltrator lets you hit the opponent behind subs, immune to gliscors earthquake and crobat can taunt them to prevent roosting etc.. And crobat can eventually take them down with brave bird+roost combination(since you dont want to take too much recoil) Now its very likely that the opponent will switch out of frustration but I would keep crobat alive just for them. Their attacks cant do anything to crobat(toxic immune, substitue doesnt matter, protect fails..) and crobat can just come in and do the same thing. So as long as crobat is still alive in your team, madibuzz and gliscors strategies are ruined.

Now this is just a strategy to RUIN their plans, but if you want to kill them off right away then use thunderus T. Thunderbolt and hidden power ice. There is your answer

answered Dec 16, 2013 by HellDoom
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I would recommend using an Articuno, as it won't be affected by Gliscor's ground attacks, and it has the Ice type, give it Zoom lens, and it's blizzard will OHKO them being super effective and having a base power of 110, and if it's holding Zoom lens, the accuracy is boosted. It also it hits both opposing Pokemon in a Double Battle. He's obtainable in game as weel, that is, if you choose Chespin as your starter, and Articuno has rather high stats.

answered Dec 16, 2013 by zachydoodle
edited Dec 16, 2013 by zachydoodle
You don't want Blizzard -_-
How come? It has great power and Zoom lens boosts the accuracy
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A Weavile with Ice Punch can handle them . 4x damage to a Gliscor will do major damage. Along to a Mandibuzz because of low defenses Ice Punch Weavile will help counter them. With Weavile being being very fast and having a high attack it's most likely that youll get a OHKO while holding a Life Orb.

answered Dec 16, 2013 by Sophisticles
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This may seem odd, but I would use Jynx or Cloyster. They both have good offensive stats (110 SpAtk and 90 Atk respectively) making them great Ice-Move abusers to knock out Mandibuzz and Gilscor. They also have decent speed stats of 95 and 70, with Jynx being able to outspeed both and Cloyster being able to outspeed them with some Shell Smashes. Here are movesets for both:

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Jinx @ Zoom Lens
Ability: Oblivious
Nature: Mild (^SpAtk vDef)
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 SpAtk, 4 HP
Blizzard (Boosted by Zoom Lens)
Ice Beam
Psychic
Wake Up Slap (Coverage)

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Cloyster @ Leftovers
Ability: Skill Link
Nautre: Adamant (^Atk vSpAtk)
EVs: 252 Speed. 252Atk, 4 HP
Shell Smash (For boosts)
Icicle Spear (w/ Skill Link, 125 Base Power with 100 Accuracy)
Icicle Crash
Poison Jab (Coverage)

answered Dec 16, 2013 by Scraϝ