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Should Conkelldur have Iron Fist or Sheer Force?

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I know that: Sheer Force + Life Orb = Major Threat.
But: Iron Fist + Drain Punch + Mach Punch = Massive healing + Boosted STAB priority.

So which is the better ability for Conkelldur?

asked Jan 28 by FrenzyTorterra
P.S. you spelled "Conkeldurr" wrong

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Neither. I know this is an either or question, but f you're using Conkeldurr, it should have Guts. Guts is far superior as an ability for a bulky physical attacker.

If Conkeldurr is burnt, both of its other abilities are no longer a threat.

Iron Fist

Iron Fist causes the Base Power of affected punching moves to increase by 20%

20% is measly, considering that Life Orb boosts moves by 30%.

Sheer Force

Sheer Force raises the base power of all attacking moves that have an additional effect by 30%, but the additional effects are ignored.

30% is like a Life Orb boost, but it doesn't boost Drain Punch or Mach Punch, which are the 2 main moves Conkeldurr uses. Sheer Force is more useful on special attackers like Nidoking or Landorus, because burn won't render them useless.

Guts

Guts raises the Attack stat by 50% while affected by the burn, paralysis, poison, or sleep status ailments. The Attack drop from burn does not occur.

Guts is basically a Life Orb + Iron Fist boost, and it won't make Conkeldurr useless when burnt.

You can either make Conkeldurr carry a Flame/ Toxic Orb, or give it an Assault Vest, considering how common status moves like Toxic, Thunder Wave & Will-O-Wisp are, in addition to Toxic Spikes.

So the Iron Fist + Life Orb boost is exactly the same as a Guts boost, meaning Guts > Iron Fist because of burn and also because you can choose an item other than a status orb.

Conkeldurr @ Assault Vest
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Sp. Def
Nature: Adamant
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Mach Punch

Conkeldurr @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
Nature: Adamant
- Bulk Up/ Ice Punch
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch

Conkeldurr

answered Jan 29 by fondant
selected Jan 29 by FrenzyTorterra
Agreed.
Wow. Just Wow.
no Mention of FACADE????
Conkeldurr doesn't need Facade; it has better moves for coverage and doesn't receive STAB from Facade, unlike e.g. Raticate or Swellow, or Flareon where it has a poor movepool.
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Both abilities are great. There isn't really a "better" ability for him, though Sheer Force is more common of the two (Flame Orb guts reigns supreme, with 1.5x attack + 30% boost from Life Orb). Here is a moveset that covers both quite nicely:

Conkeldurr @ Shell Bell/Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 HP, 4 Def
Nature: Adamant (^Atk vSpAtk)
Ability: Iron Fist/Sheer Force
Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Drain Punch
Mach Punch/Fire Punch

Shell Bell has recovery, Life Orb has more damage. The elemental punches bring secondary effects are are boosted by both abilities, Drain Punch brings even more recovery, and Mach Punch brings STAB priority, and everyone loves STAB priority, right? :D

Moveset explained more here

answered Jan 28 by Le Scraf
edited Jan 29 by Le Scraf
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Well remember that sheer force doesn't boost drain punch or mach punch, two of conkeldurr's biggest STAB's. It does however, make using elemental punches a lot more easier and powerful. If you wanna use conkeldurr with great coverage, then you should use the sheer force set, if you want a conkeldurr that stays there to do solid damage with it's STABs as well, then use iron fist.

answered Jan 28 by Generekt
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Conkeldurr should have IRON FIST instead of Sheer Force. Both abilities are great, butIron fist is better for Conkeldurr. As you mention, drain punch and Mach punch are great for an iron fist Conkeldurr, iron fist gives it more power, and Conkeldurr gets STAB.

Conkeldurr
Adamant nature
Life orb
252 atk/252 HP/4 def

Mach Punch-priority, STAB, iron fist boost
Drain Punch- HP recovery, STAB, iron fist boost
Hammer Arm-STAB, iron fist boost
Thunder Punch-Iron fist boost

In this example, Conkeldurr has 3-4 punch moves that get boosted with iron fist.

Hope I helped!Overall, iron fist>sheer force for Conkeldurr.

answered Jan 28 by Mr. Blazo
edited Jan 29 by Mr. Blazo
Run into a ghost and That Conk is useless :l
thanks for pointing it out
Ice Punch > Thunder Punch.
There the same thing. Cept that there different types and have different effects. They both have a chance of paralysis or freeze. But, you can thaw out of ice, but paralysis stays and cuts speed
No Ice Punch lets it take on pokemon like Celebi, Landorus-T, Dragonite, Gliscor and so on, which the Fighting + Electric offensive combination is dodgy against.