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Checks and Counters to Mega Gyarados?

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Self expanatory. Please include how it checks/counters it, and sets would be really nice.

asked Mar 21 by tazzie

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Well this is the genuine move set you'd expect to find on a Mega Gyarados:

252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 HP, with Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Earthquake, and either Ice Fang or Stone Edge as it's moves.

Considering this there are a few notable Pokémon I'd recommend as good counters to Mega Gyarados.

First up:

Conkeldurr
Conkeldurr Shiny

Conkeldurr's genuine move set is 252 Atk, 252 HP, 4 Sp.Def, with Knock Off, Ice Punch, Mach Punch and Drain Punch as it's moves, and the Assault Vest as it's held item. Here are a few calculations of Conkeldurr vs Mega Gyarados, but seriously who would stay in with Mega Gyarados against a Conkeldurr this can give you the upper hand if they switch out and you use Knock Off.

Conkeldurr Attacking:

252+ Atk Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 266-314 (80.1 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 396-468 (119.2 - 140.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gyarados Attacking:

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 171-202 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 171-202 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 171-202 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

+1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 256-303 (61.8 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 342-403 (82.6 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 342-403 (82.6 - 97.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Secondly to the playing field:

Mega Venusaur

Mega Venusaur

Many people give Mega Venusaur different move sets but never the less it pretty much always has Sleep Powder and Giga Drain which can be a real problem for Mega Gyarados. Not to mention Ice Fang is only 1x Super Effective thanks to Thick Fat. Here are a few calculations of Mega Venasaur vs Mega Gyarados, but seriously only an idiot would stay in with Mega Gyarados against Mega Venusaur.

Venusaur Attacking:

4 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 152-182 (45.7 - 54.8%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO

4+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 168-200 (50.6 - 60.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 206-246 (62 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 206-246 (62 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Gyarados Attacking:

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 148-176 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 148-176 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- 64.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 148-176 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Venusaur: 112-132 (30.7 - 36.2%) -- 54% chance to 3HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Venusaur: 112-132 (30.7 - 36.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Venusaur: 112-132 (30.7 - 36.2%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

Next in line:

Scizor/Mega Scizor:

Scizor Mega Scizor

Scizor's EV Spread is most commonly 252 Atk, 252 HP, 4 Sp.Def. It's moves can vary depending on the player using it but it pretty much always has Bug Bite. If Scizor is not holding the Scizorite it most likely has a Choice Band as it's held item.

Scizor/Mega Scizor Attacking:

252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 450-530 (135.5 - 159.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bug Bite vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 336-396 (101.2 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mega Gyarados Attacking:

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 163-193 (47.3 - 56.1%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 163-193 (47.3 - 56.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 123-145 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 123-145 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

Who's next you ask?

Mega Heracross

Mega Heracross

Mega Heracross's move set normally consists of an EV Spread of 252 Atk, 252 HP, 4 Sp.Def, with Pin Missile, Close Combat, Rock Blast and Bullet Seed as it's moves.

Mega Heracross Attacking:

252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 550-660 (165.6 - 198.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mega Gyarados Attacking:

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 145-172 (39.8 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 145-172 (39.8 - 47.2%) -- 46.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 145-172 (39.8 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

Surely their can't be more?

Theirs actually a lot more that I haven't mentioned but I'll leave it as that. Fast and powerful Electric types may be able to OHKO Mega Gyarados, Pokémon such as Jolteon with a Choice Specs, Thundurus-T, Mega Manectric, may be even Zapdos. Other Fighting type Pokémon such as Mega Medicham and Machamp would also be ideal, as would other Grass types such as Ferrothorn and Ludicolo.

Source: http://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

Hope I helped :)

answered Mar 21 by Sir Dan
edited Mar 21 by Sir Dan
I run Bite :3
LOL scrub
you do realize many run bounce
Not rly, only your haxing one does o3o
[14:58] <TIBot_> Waterfall 92.143% | Dragon Dance 87.305% | Earthquake 75.196% | Ice Fang 39.263% | Substitute 16.728% | Bounce 15.517% | Stone Edge 14.207% | Taunt 8.382% | Bite 5.807% | Dragon Tail 5.621% | Aqua Tail 5.274% | Outrage 5.056% | Iron Head 4.919% | Rest 4.082% | Sleep Talk 3.399% | Other 17.101%
I don't qualify 15% as ''many''. Especially counting that Mega Gyarados NEVER runs Bounce.
Why the hell did I get a down vote for this? Also like JCM said Mega Gyarados never runs Bounce.
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Mega gyarados is weak to fairy types as it gains a new typing.. Fighting, fairy would b your best bet. Almost all mega gyarados's carry EQ.. So electric types won't b that useful because mega gyarados is slightly bulky and can take an electric move. Grass types would work but to prevent grass from being SE mega evolution won't b necessary and ice fang isn't uncommon in gyarados.
Scrafty is a good counter as most mega gyarados can't hit scrafty super effectively.

Another counter is ferrothorn. Who takes mega gyarados's STAB not very effectively and he can easily bag a few EQs while taking it out with power whip.

Scrafty
Scrafty @ leftovers
Trait: shed skin/moxie
Adamant/impish
252atk/128hp/128 spe
-Dragon dance
-High jump kick
-Crunch
-Ice punch(basically any filler move)

If running adamant
252+ Atk Scrafty High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 338-398 (101.8 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Where as,
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Scrafty: 145-172 (47.8 - 56.7%) -- 38.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

If running impish
252 Atk Scrafty High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 306-362 (92.1 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Where as,
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 128 HP / 0+ Def Scrafty: 133-157 (43.8 - 51.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Ferrothorn
Ferrothorn @ leftovers
Trait: iron barbs
Relaxed
252 hp/128 def/128 SpD
-power whip
-stealth rocks/spikes
-leech seed
-gyro ball

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gyarados: 228-270 (68.6 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Where as
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Ferrothorn: 89-105 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Hope I helped!

answered Mar 21 by ☠ĐarkĦeart☠
edited Mar 21 by ☠ĐarkĦeart☠
:D! Scrafty!
Scrafty is epic!