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What is a good moveset for Kecleon?

6 votes

I know I skipped Claydol. I just wanted to do Kecleon cause I think this is a great moveset and I'm kind of proud of it. Mine is EV trained in Speed to alllow it to use Skill Swap first. It also holds the Quick Claw. It knows:

Skill Swap: I hate the ability Color Change. It is Kecleon's weakness. It also helps with the strategy I have.

Aerial Ace: Decent power, doesn't miss, deals with Fighting types. Makes the foe a Flying type my strategy.

Rock Slide: The foe is now weak to this. Used to deal with Flying types. Decent power, decent accuracy, good chance to cause flinching. Makes the foe a Rock type.

Brick Break: The foe is now weak to this. Used to deal with Rock types. Decent power, high accuracy, breaks through Reflect and Light Screen. The foe is now a fighting type and weak to Aerial Ace.

Kecleon Learnset

asked Jul 22, 2010 by trachy
edited Jul 1, 2011 by DarkTyphlosion
Cool,what a great strategy!
Kecleon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Color Change
EVs: 252 Atk / 160 Def / 96 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch
- Focus Punch
- Fake Out

13 Answers

5 votes

While this is a good moveset, it's also the most common and predictable moveset on Kecleon. Everyone will anticipate that Skill Swap, and probably just go all out to KO you in one or two hits. Do not fear! Just like with Shuckle, I have raised many Kecleon Specimens.

Firstly, you want a reliable STAB. The most reliable, of course, is Return. If the Happiness isn't quite there, then Slash is a great alternative.

Next, you'll want Substitute. Using Substitute will take out 1/4 of your HP, but is worth the free dummy hit. Also, use Substitute with prediction. If you feel the opponent is going to take a turn to buff or set up something, then activate the Substitute then.

Next, you'll want Focus Punch. Focus Punch and Substitute on Kecleon are like Peanut Butter and Jelly. Due to Kecleon's horrible Speed, he'll move last, and not have to worry about having its Substitute break the turn it makes it. Because of Focus Punch, you'll need a 2-turn charge. When your Sub is up, charge up your punch. The opponent will likely break your Substitute that turn, but because Focus Punch has priority, you get the charged attack first thing next turn. It's a flawless Focus Punch, and very few Pokemon can pull it off.

Finally, you'll want a filler. Probably something to hit Ghosts, seeing as Ghosts are immune to Return, Slash, and Focus Punch. Faint Attack or Shadow Claw will do. Sucker Punch is a risky alternative, but also gives priority. Pick the one you like best.

Kecleon's possibilities are nearly endless, since everything in its movepool can be used to its advantage. Shadow Claw and Skill Swap works wonders, this strategy is great, or a Special Wall set is even possible. This is my personal favorite, and it's great for survival too.

answered Jul 22, 2010 by ~-~WILL~-~
This is just about the same thing I was going to say. Therefore I will not be answering this question.
Great minds think alike, LOL.
What ability, what nature and what item?
3 votes

Kecleon (M) @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Color Change
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Shadow Claw
- Seismic Toss / Drain Punch
- Thunder Wave
- Skill Swap

This is my version of the original poster. It uses the same principle, except it is slightly more efficient.
Thunder Wave and Skill Swap combo nicely, as you can slow the opponent down, then Skill Swap them as well as giving those Para-hax percentages. Ghosts are weak to themselves, so Shadow Claw hits Super effective over and over, rather than doing the rock, paper, scissors game and taking up 3 move slots.
Seismic Toss will always do 100 damage, often clearing away 1/3 of the opponents HP, as well as changing the opponents type to fighting if they are Normal, then they can be hit by Shadow Claw. Drain Punch does the same, but with recovery, and damage is not set.
Max EVs in Atk for offensive purposes, 301 Hp for other Seismic Tossers and the rest in Def, as it's speed sucks (Thunder Wave takes care of that), and it's SpDef is already respectable (typical Normal Type). The item is preference; survivability or destructibility? Your choice.

answered Aug 27, 2011 by Heinz_Ketchum
2 votes

Gen V

Kecleon (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Color Change
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute
- Fake Out
- Focus Punch

answered Apr 28, 2011 by trachy
edited Jul 16, 2011 by trachy
I prefer your skill swap strategy even though I don't dislike your Sub-Punch strategy with two priority/revenge moves. Expert belt is a wonderful item choice for the first set even though you have to turn the SDef EVs into speed EVs.
Even with Speed EVs Kecleon is slow, plus it would harm the sub-punch strategy. Skill Swap is creative, but it doesn't pan out I have found, due to Kecleon's poor defenses. :)
For my living lvl 100 pokédex I can try raising both movesets... and then try them out.
2 votes

Kecleon @ Assault Vest
Traits: Protean
EVs: 190 HP/ 252 Atk/ 66 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Power-Up Punch
- Shadow Sneak
- Sucker Punch

With the release of Pokemon X and Y, and more importantly the friend safari. We now have access to Kecleon's Hidden ability, most famously on the new starter Greninja; Protean. With his already amazing base SDef, and his diverse move pool, and decent attack and HP stats he is a force to be reckoned with.

This build is based mostly on great prediction, you think they are going to set up; power-up punch for some free damage and one attack stage. Have they just barely survived? Use your trusty shadow sneak, they about to attack you, give them a good old priority sucker punch.

answered Feb 19, 2014 by Xoes
1 vote

Ok here is my set please note I am doing this Via DSi so I will edit later.

Kelcon of Vengance!(AKA revenge killer)

Nature: Adamant(+Attack, -S.attack)

Ability: Color-change(Doh!)

Evs: 252 Attack, 200 def, 58 hp

Item: Leftovers

Sucker-punch: Coverage/Priority revenge

Swords-dances: Double attack power!

Drain-punch: Coverage/healing

Return: STAB

answered Aug 26, 2011 by Speed freak
Wow that turned out well....huh I guess I won't edit it?
Wow, This did turn out to be off of a Dsi.

Thanks I am surprised it worked XD
1 vote

This is the current Kecleon I'm training up from my Sapphire ( Gotta do a lot of work )

Kecleon w/ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs - 248 Atk, 100 Sp Def, 160 Hp

Sucker Punch ( Level 46. Gen IV )
Mega Kick ( Tutor, Gen III )
Hone Claws ( Gen V TM )
Drain Punch ( Gen IV TM )

As my profile noted, I'm taking a long break from PO, and I'm going to complete my pokedex for all of my games, ( 649 pokemon in my Unova dex will be filled .. ) and I'm going to give them competitive movesets and EV train them, give them items if possible, but most of them will probably have to share from my collection ^^

Anyway, the first pokemon I'm going to try to knock out it Kecleon.

His ev's are making him into a specially bulky pokemon, that hits hard with physical attacks.
Hone Claws gives you an accuracy boost and a power boost, getting one up makes a world of dif.
Mega Kick is STAB, high power, and accuracy is boosted by Hone Claws.
Sucker Punch is priority, works well with Hone Claws's attack boost, lets him priority sweep.
Drain Punch helps him live, gets a reasonable amount of Hp back, more and more depending on how much damage you do to your opponent. ( Hone Claws helps again! )

answered Nov 16, 2011 by Josh
1 vote

Kecleon @ Choice Band

Trait: Color Change

EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)

  • Return
  • Sucker Punch/Shadow Claw
  • Drain Punch
  • Trick

Return is STAB with good neutral coverage.
Sucker Punch is priority and hits Ghost types and Psychics, but Shadow Claw can be used if you prefer to hit 'em safely.
Drain Punch hits Rock and Steel types for decent damage and gives healing.
Trick screws something up.
EVs are to outspeed Base 60s who don't invest in Speed.

answered Mar 8, 2012 by Hex
1 vote

I know there's a Vest set for this already, but I wanted to post an alternative set. Best used in Tier Shift. This thing lives Megazard Y's Fire Blast pretty well. 0_o
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Geico (Kecleon) (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Tail
- Drain Punch
- Power-Up Punch
- Sucker Punch

At all perfect IVs, while being used in tier shift, this Kecleon has the following stats:

354/292/206/167/350 (525 with Vest)/146


Since he gets STAB from every move, Drain Punch is now a pretty nice move, allowing him to live longer. Sucker Punch gets that nice priority, Power-Up Punch makes up for what little attack he has, and Aqua Tail is coverage.

answered Aug 13 by [MEGA]StellarLucario
0 votes

Gen V

Kecleon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Color Change
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ancient Power

Start with Substitute, until you manage to keep it up. Then Focus Punch your way forward. When your Sub breaks use Sucker Punch for Priority to finish off your target. However ancient power is coverage for flying types plus you may get all stat boosts.

^^ My Beastly Kecleon. SO Strong!

answered Sep 19, 2012 by zLouisss
0 votes

Kecleon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Color Change
EVs: 58 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Return
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Sucker Punch

Start with Fake out, Return, Sucker Punch, or in any way of your liking. This guy can sweep although he has low speed, he has priority moves. Fake out + Sucker Punch will do a lot of damage if not fainting the opponent. Return is stab, well into you get hit by another type.
Drain punch is for Normal types + Health Regeneration. What could be better?

answered Sep 29, 2012 by Chewy
0 votes

Kecleon(M)@Expert Belt
Trait:Colour Change
Evs: 252 Atk/128 Spe/ 128 HP
Adamant Nature(+Atk-SAtk)
-Skill Swap
-Hone Claws
-Shadow Claw

answered Oct 12, 2012 by A Very Nice Guy
0 votes

Kecleon @ Lum Berry
Ability: Protean
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
-Fake Out
-Last Resort
-Power-Up Punch
-Sucker Punch


answered Mar 24 by Radicool21
0 votes

Kecleon (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protean
Evs: 252 HP. 6 Atk, 252 Sp.Def
Nature: Careful (+Sp.Def, -Sp.Atk)
- Toxic
- Recover
- Protect
- Drain Punch/Knock Off

Toxic badly poisons, Recover heals you, and Protect stalls and give time for Leftovers to kick in. You have the tough choice of either Drain Punch or Knock Off for an attack so you're not Taunt-bait. Drain Punch heals you, while Knock Off is just annoying for the opponent.

answered Oct 5 by Soundwave