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The Pokemon database league needs revamping

8 votes

Ok so I'm not going to lie the db league currently sucks IMO.
Mew, Kyron and I (I'm sure Spoink was there to) were chatting in chat and we all had the same views.
Their is to many leaders, stupid rules and almost no variety.

It seriously needs revamping and I'm calling out to mods and editors to help change if this is passed.
It would be much more cleaner and simple.
Better as well.
Everything but the original post would need hiding, though answers could be edited.

I'm sure others will agree that the league currently isn't good, and of the many challengers it seems only leaders are challenging as they do make up as the active majority.

There would be no stupid rules and only 1 battle Appart from in cc
We would need (in this order)
Cc
Monotype
Pu
Nu
Ru
Uu
Ou
Ubers
E4 can be decided after but in the mean time.
Experts and editors get priority but I'm sure editors and mods would be in the e4

I know some may disagree with this because they were recently made leader of have collected badges but tbh this needs to happen so I'm calling out to Trachy to approve.
Don't answer unless your a mod please, no hatred and don't complain I've got no authority in this, I don't care it was my idea and your likely no higher than me.

asked Sep 23, 2012 by Blobyolo
Why not just get rid of league, it is not really that great anyway. And look at all the problems it is causing. — commented 7 hours ago by Speed freak     

^ I so agree with this. The league has been causing problems, because of people just being a bit overexcessive. The league is pretty much never used because of the fact that the Rules of the Leaders are stupid. What good has came out of copying Smogon and claiming that idea to be yours? Nothing, it only caused more dispute. Lets face it, no one will beat the *Entire* league with àll these stupid rules to make a Leader have a better advantage. Screw revamping it, just take it down, wasting time.
I think the whole point of this post was to take away the stupid rules & other things which have been holding the league back.
Yeh to loose stupid rules many leaders ect and make it like it was in the past when it was good before people edited in their own rules.
I suggested cutting the rules long ago!! And now people actually agree?
yes you suggested cutting rules but you also tried to enforce your own rules(or DTs i forget) i think as long as no-one tries to majorly force something on us there wont be a problem(because lets face we all dont like it when some random person tries to tell us what to do over the internet)

2 Answers

9 votes

Okay, I'm answering this with my suggestion because I was closer to the answer button and well... I liekz picturez :3


Okay, this is my suggestion to get the league running.

1 authority figure

Now, I'd like you to look at this from outside the " this means I won't be involved " view. It's insanely easy to do that, and I can totally sympathize if you still do.

We really need a single Editor / Mod ( preferably mod. ) to run the league. While this would mean you wouldn't be involved in running it, in the end it would work for the better.

Whoever this ends up being needs to pick the league and the E4, with an unbiased opinion. To be honest, last time we had a lot of gym leaders and places that were really just thrown together. A lot of it, which I can understand, was " this is my friend, so they should be in the league. ". Which I'm not bashing that at all, it's in the past and doesn't really matter now. What does matter is that it doesn't happen this time.

Gym leaders

Chosen by whoever the " 1 auth. fig. ( yes, that lazy ) " is. Probably by battling said person who hasn't been decided.

E4 + Champion

Basically, whoever the person in charge is elects 8 people who they think would make for a good E4 member / champion. They make a tournament out of it. Winner of the tournament: Champion. Other 3: E4 members 2, 3, and 4. Then take the runner ups and let them have a tournament for the first E4 spot. If we don't let members run around, we can then have a smoothly flowing system.

Note-able things

  • 1 leader per gym
  • No insane rules. Rules must be approved by authority figure
  • Be in it for the people. Don't just be in the spot so you can say you have it, use it to give back to the community and make the site a more enjoyable place.

And that's my opinion on it. Please give feedback!

answered Sep 23, 2012 by Josh
I approve this message
So do i.
We don't need to fix the people god damnit! All we need is the rules nerfed down.
My suggestions really delve into more or less fixing the amount of people rather than fixing the people themselves. And in doing that, people will be cut.
I suggest cutting Rio, jonachin, ruop, Riles, my brother, and Speed Freak. These are for reasons of can't use both PS and PO and/or are doubling up on each other. Then we make DA a Gym Leader on his own. Then just add one more person who can be a Gym Leader, requiring them to have both PO and PS.

As for E4, if we kick out Speed I see no problem in having it as is, with Mew as the first Elite 4 member.

The rules actually seem pretty fair as of now, although I think we can cut out any "no counter teams" and "rematch if I say the battle was haxy" rules.

I also think that Riles is right in that we should have the Gym Leaders be challenged in any order. Hell, we can do that for the Elite 4 also, like the Unova League (Champ still needs to be battled last of course.)

And as for supreme dictator, it either needs to be Josh or me. Unbiased opinion (yes, I can be unbiased when nominating myself) there. We have a huge deal of competitive experience between us and we know how things should probably be run. I have the advantage of being a moderator, meaning I can just ban anybody who complains. :P I agree that councils suck. I still think we could have had the database tiers last longer (or maybe even still be around) if I was in complete control. The deomcratic process sacrifices efficiency over protection from tyranny. Since Pokemaster is already ultimate tyrant (hell, he's even BRITISH!), we should probably keep whatever efficiency we have.
Rio can use both, so why not put Rio at #1? Then DF, DA, Kyron, Spoink, Blob, Me, then E4 of course.
Oh, I thought Rio could only use PO. In that case, Rio can fill in the spot of leader, being on a fair amount of the time and all that.
that sounds like a good order ninja & Trachy or Josh running does sound like the best idea right now
Just commenting back to say that I have no problem running it if you need me to.
That's what I wanted to hear, when I say I want some influence I mean idclike some input as all my good previous ideas I've been rejected from as if it wasn't my post :D
I think we should still keep the gym tiers i posted for variety last time half the league was Nu.
trachy i can use both PO and Showdown.btw im jonachin
Ninja, you forgot me =P. I hope I'll not get cut.
Yeh Jcms becoming a top battler and is better than people mentioned though I won't name.
This is the order me & blob thought of on chat, it's not final or anything just a starting point. I know I have no authority in this :p

Leader 1: Undecided. LC / PU / NFE
Leader 2: Kyron, Monotype
Leader 3: Ninja, CC
Leader 4: JCM, NU
Leader 5: Jonachin, RU
Leader 6: Dr.Flame / Rio, UU
Leader 7: Devil's Advocate, OU
Leader 8: Blobyolo, Ubers
Screw that. It is not by skill, and we have an order coming into place.
Its not ment to be in skill, and no offence if it was by skill why did you put yourself last in your idea.
Not saying your bad, your good but cc doesnt take skill really, this is in a fair order, the first 3 are in no order but it would be good if the rest were
Also tbf allot of the leaders here are very well balanced and have very similar skill.
lol, ok ninja.
again i repeat putting monotype and CC near the top is not the best idea as not many people are good at battling with those(and when i say good i mean not many play them well enough to actually do good in the battle)
Some people are good at Mono, it's CC that's hard.
We can have repeats of tiers. And in my idea I was just filling, not changing order.

Really getting sick of people saying CC takes no skill. CC can be one of the hardest metagames out there, along with LC. And Spoink deserves a spot. It isn't about getting a better team, it is being able to use it. I am sure others can agree.

IF WE DECIDE AN ORDER, SPOINK BETTER BE IN IT.
Spoink was in but oppted out :D
Cc is 50%luck 50%batteling that's just my opinion I don't want to argue on it.
It's not that I don't want to; it's just my baby ( NU ) is already taken up by JCM, who has been here longer and wants the spot more than I do. I don't think we should repeat tiers. SOMEONE out there must play Doubles or LC or something. xD
I reserved Lc for Trachy :D
Spoink is right, I want the spot so bad. I love my job.
The people who beat me in monotype took multiple times. Even if they did have type advantages, the only people who beat me in one try where trachy,mike, josh(darn rain teams), and maybe mew not sure about him it was one or two times. But trachy had Dragon and i had Posion, Mike had Fighting i had Bug, Josh was Water and i had Grass i think. My main point is that it can be tough to have to build a team with all at least one weakness in common and also cover any type they are placed against. I dont mind be second im just saying having those two at the bottom might not be the best idean
I'm fine with monotype and challenge cup being moved up but I still think gyms should be battled in order excluding the first 3 though cc can be easy to beat depending on what team you receive.
2 votes

My suggestion: Hostile Takeover, using Josh's suggestion.

I'd like to take over for this, not because I think I'm super awesome and think I'd dominate this, but because it's honestly really annoying to see this issue constantly popping up.

I'm not on extremely often, so I don't have a huge level of personal attachment or interest to this, nor do I really have a lot of bias. I happen to also be a moderator, so that works well with what Josh was saying as well. I can be super argumentative, so stuff won't get through easily, and I don't really desire the power, but rather seek it to prevent misuse. Here are my conditions if I were to do this:

  • There can only be one person serving as a gym leader. If for some reason they cannot do their job, they cannot select someone to take their place. They can recommend someone, but ultimately, the authority figure would make the decision.
  • Any and all rules would have to be approved by the leader. Rules cannot be made because you are afraid of your team losing. If it is a serious issue that can compromise almost any team, then it is fair to be banned. I don't see the fairness in banning something because it gives your specific team a weakness.

There would be other things, but the general idea is that I don't think the system should be so lassiez-faire with the leaders/E4, especially considering how easily the spots can change up.

answered Sep 28, 2012 by DarkTyphlosion
Could you explain what lassiez-faire means? :x
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

Lassiez-faire in an economic sense is a nearly free market where you can do just about whatever you want, provided it's legal. In the pokemon context I'm using it in, it means leaving the leaders to structure their own rules and trust that they'll keep things fair and realistic. The problem is that everyone gets super territorial about things, nobody wants to change, and nothing gets done.
Well, no one outranks DT but PM, so I think it is fair for him to take over, plus DT is the most unbiased of us all.
Oh, forgot to mention. It has been decided that DT is in charge.