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Critic for my Gen 5 Mono-Steel team?

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Some of my friends has set a "Gym Leader" challenge and I have picked Steel for the job. They don't strictly follow anything like Smogon and tiers and whatnot, so the rules are different accordingly. Feel free to skip past the long explanations if you're intimidated by paragraphs.

Rules:
-No legendaries (yes this includes Heatran, Jirachi, and Genesect)
-No more than one of an item (so you can't have Leftovers on two pokemon)
-Can only use pokemon that all share a type (obviously)
-All lvl 100 (so no Aron F.E.A.R. strategy or whatever it's called)
-This is in Generation 5 (just as a reminder)
-We know the types everyone has but not the pokemon in the teams

Teams:
-Ground
-Dragon
-Water
-Ghost
-Normal
-Steel (mine)

Pokemon considered in my team: Bronzong, Escavalier, Metagross, Lucario, Magnezone, and Empoleon

Bronzong @ Damp Rock
Ability: Levitate/Heatproof
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Defense, 4 Def
Nature: Sassy (-Speed, +Sp. Defense)
-Rain Dance
-Trick Room
-Light Screen
-Gyro Ball

So this thing here is pretty much my support poke. Sadly there isn't recovery on this thing besides Rest. :I At least this'll make it tank hits better to pass off all it has to offer (and sadly Light Screen won't last as long as the Rain). I'm considering running Levitate over Heatproof, as my team isn't as much under threat of Fire as it is ground (considering I'll be battling a full team of ground types). Heatproof could fake them out, believing that Bronzong always runs Levitate, but I can't take that risk. Rain Dance I'll have to be careful with and probably won't use against the Water team, considering I don't have any water resist except with Empoleon. Trick Room since the majority of all steel types are quite slow, but mainly for one on my team in particular.

Escavalier @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp. Def
Nature: Brave (+Attack, -Speed)
-Megahorn/X-Scissor
-Pursuit
-Iron Head
-Reversal

Nobody will expect this thing to come on the field. Escavalier is the main Trick Room user, which is mostly what the rain is for, to pretty much cover for his great Fire weakness, making it only 2x (and Scizor isn’t as slow as some give it credit for). Bronzong will protect it with Light Screen as it switches in, and also has pretty good defense when it comes to Earthquake. Using this set to get better coverage, Pursuit for that Ghost coverage as they'll resist everything but Iron Head. Iron Head will provide some flinching while boosted by Trick Room and is also quite reliable. Reversal at low will do a lot as a last resort. X-Scissor may be used over Megahorn since it would really suck if you were to miss when you only have at most four turns to act. This guy should make for a good Hydreigon counter, as there will be no chance for it to hit with a Flamethrower after Escavalier is sent out, as well as something like Starmie when Trick Room is up. Being neutral to ground is a nice perk.

Empoleon @ Expert Belt
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 4 Speed (to break the speed tie with Swampert)
Nature: Serious nature (neutral)
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Aqua Jet
-Grass Knot

Empoleon and Swampert are both base 60 speed, so that one extra speed will make sure he doesn't get hit with a 110 base attack stab EQ before he can hit with Grass Knot. Hydro Pump for its power, as this Empoleon isn’t running anything like Choice Specs. Ice beam will hurt those Dragons A LOT. Grass Knot for that water or ground team, specifically Swampert (because who wouldn't slap him on there, or at least some other water/ground?). And, lastly, Aqua Jet, because none will expect it and will hit that Ground Team hard enough to maybe get a solid 10% at the very least with Expert Belt, even if with no attack investment (as it's not lowered either). Also notable to note that Empoleon can take advantage of Rain and resists those on the water team.

Metagross @ Air Balloon
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP (or Defense?), 252 Attack, 4 Sp. Defense
Nature: Adamant (+Attack, -Sp. Attack)
-Bullet Punch
-Zen Headbutt
-Ice Punch
-Thunder Punch

Since Bronzong is full support and no attacks, this guy will be full offensive. Air Balloon will protect from ground attacks at least at first so he can get some good damage off. Bullet Punch will take them off guard, especially when it's something crucial like against a low-health dragon with Flamethrower or a Ground type that can KO him the next turn. It also isn’t resisted by much other than the water team, so it’s not bad typing-wise. ThunderPunch will help against things like Gyarados, especially on that Water team. Ice Punch to obviously counter those ground-types and dragons.

Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed
Nature: Timid nature (-Attack, +Speed)
-Tri-attack
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Hidden Power (Grass)

It has limited coverage, but it's all the coverage that I need. Tri-Attack's for neutral, just in case, as well as those status possibilities. Thunderbolt and Flash Cannon are STAB, and Hidden Power is safe to lock myself into for the Water and Ground team, being especially useful against the likes of Swampert. With this speed, it's about 360 (if I’m right, not entirely sure), just about enough to outspeed most things non-scarfed. And Sturdy will protect it from being 1-shot with that 4x Ground weakness, of course. Magnet Pull is useless in this kind of mono-team contest, so Sturdy will be much more beneficial. This thing should make a good Rotom-W counter as well, considering it can’t do much to it; HP Grass for the win.

Lucario @ Focus Sash
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Nature: Timid (-Attack, +Speed)
-Aura Sphere
-Dark Pulse
-Dragon Pulse
-Vacuum Wave/Magnet Rise

So, I lose some coverage against 4x-weak-to-ice-dragons by not having Ice Punch, but a lot will be hit harder on the special side, like against Garchomp. Plus, I suppose Metagross has the Ice Punch on him ready, assuming he can survive an EQ from a Chomp. Dark Pulse has the exact power of Crunch, so it won't be missed too much. As for the Vacuum Wave/Magnet Rise toss up, Magnet Rise will be beneficial as a lot of Ground types are extremely slow, but will be useless against the speedy Garchomp. Vacuum Wave will add that special priority that the rest of my team does not have, as well as perhaps taking out that Garchomp before he can hit with another EQ. Brought down to the sash, that priority will help to at least get some damage off on the next pokemon before being taken down (unless I happen to be faster). Aura Sphere also hits through Sand Veil, which is nice.

A lot of info and probably redundant stuff thrown in this long explanation, so sorry about that. But anyways, if there are any suggestions, I'll consider them. EV spreads I'd like to know a bit, as I'm a bit new to that. Made this account not too long ago, so go easy on me. Also, I know many of you will suggest Scizor over Escavalier, but I have a feeling that Escavalier will take many by surprise, seeing as it's not used often. If I'm given a really good reason to use Scizor over Escavalier, I'll consider it, though Scizor may be a bit too predictable as it's used all the time. I made these sets myself, not based on what's best for them individually, but by what coverage my team needs as a whole.

asked Mar 2 by Noble Escavalier
edited Mar 2 by Noble Escavalier

1 Answer

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I like it. Your team is good, uh ? For a monotype, I congratulate your originality on using Escavalier and Bronzong as a tandem, 4 Speed for Empoleon as to break speed tie, but sadly, there are a lot of changed for making it stronger.

Bronzong

Please, don't use it. It is good and shtuff, but Skarmory is much better at its role. Try it, you won't be deceived:


Skarmory @ Shed Shell:
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def
Careful Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Whirlwind
  • Roost
  • Brave Bird

It will help you a lot against the Ground-monotype. Shed Shell is so that you are not trapped by Dugtrio and used as setup fodder if your friends plan on using it. The EV spread is so that Skarmory is defensive on both sides as much as possible. Stealth Rock is hazards and cheap damage is always nice. Whirlwind will force out nasty or unwanted opponents, and will activate Stealth Rock as well. Extremely good against setup sweepers. As of Roost, it will heal you because of the lack of leftovers, and Brave Bird is so that you aren't total Taunt Fodder.

Escavalier

Outside of Trick Room, Escavalier is pretty weak, so consider Scizor with the same typing but fuckin' better stats:


Scizor @ Choice Band:
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature

  • Bug Bite
  • Bullet Punch
  • Superpower
  • Pursuit / U-Turn

Choice Band skyrockets alongside Technician Bug Bite and Bullet Punch to unparalleled levels of attack. Superpower is coverage, and I recommend U-Turn more than Pursuit but both work.

Empoleon ##

Flash Cannon > Aqua Jet
Modest > Serious.

Metagross

252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef

Magnezone

Choice Specs > Choice Scarf
Modest > Timid

Lucario

Nasty Plot > Aura Sphere
Vacuum Wave > Magnet Rise

Otherwise, fine.

I hope this helps.

~ Sincerely yours, Blitz of Justice.

answered Mar 2 by RecreativeReshiram
Thanks for answering. So, I have a Skarmory with that exact same set (but Impish instead of Careful and holding Red Card). I used it in the last contest and won with it, and they were terribly, terribly mad and hated it, haha. I'm just a bit wary since they know it from top to bottom by now and wouldn't hesitate to make a counter for it. But, it would be admittedly useful for that Ground team, and I totally forgot about Dugtrio and Arena Trap. Stealth Rock is resisted though, so maybe Spikes(?). Another thing about Skarm is that the water team may deal with it easier, prompting me to use Bronzong as a special wall, and the dragon team probably carrying flamethrower on every pokemon (yes, it is that hated).

As for Scizor, I'm just concerned on, say, the Dragon team that it won't come to much use since it will be out-sped so easily (but then again a choice-banded Bullet Punch does sound powerful, something I haven't tried). Most dragons are extremely fast, leading me to the Trick Room logic. If Escavalier can get even one KO in those conditions, it's done its job. Not sure how much a Choice-Band BP will do, but I suppose I could be willing to try it. For the U-turn and Pursuit toss up, Pursuit will be useful against the Ghost team, but then again I'm not too afraid of it, so U-turn may give some switch initiative on teams I suppose.

Your other suggestions are pretty helpful, and that Lucario one is interesting. Wonder how much a Nasty Plot Vacuum Wave would do.
Now, if the Skarmory is a previsible option, try out:

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet:
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Impish Nature

~ Leech Seed
~ Power Whip
~ Stealth Rock / Spikes
~ Substitute

After an analysis, this Ferrothorn can leave a dent in Water and Ground teams. SubLeech with hazards and Power Whip is not easy to counter. Now, dragons may carry fire-type attacks and that's why Empoleon exists: Ice Beam will mock them, and the steel-type is resistant to Outrage, their main attack. Once they are locked into Outrage, get Ferrothorn there and sponge them while recoiling them, and make them think twice with either Spikes or Stealth Rock at switching.

Alternatively, you may try Forretress:

Forretress @ Red Card:
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Speed

~ Gyro Ball
~ Rapid Spin
~ Stealth Rock / Spikes
~ Toxic Spikes / Volt Switch

This is another hazarder with Spikes or Stealth Rock. Toxic Spikes can be used if your friends won't use poison-type Pokémon and Volt Switch can be a surprise against the Water-type team. The ground-type likes Rhyperior or Swampert, or even Dugtrio -the list is big- using Stealth Rock, so Rapid Spin is a big help. As of Gyro Ball, it is obviously strong against Dugtrio and dragons.

CB Bullet Punch Scizor 2HKO Garchomp and as a priority, it is quicker than Fire Blast which also scores the 2HKO.
Salamence's Fire Blast, however, OHKOes Scizor, but Sciz is quicker with priotrity Bullet Punch, and can leave a dent of 2.5/4 of Salad's HP, which is not bad. Dragonite will always beat you. If you predict the switch, you can OHKO Hydreigon with Bug Bite, but Hydreigon retaliates with Fire Blast if the switch is not predicted. Fire Blast's accuracy is a mere 70 in Gen5, which helps you in haxy phases.

+2 Dragon Pulse coming from Luc can OHKO Garchomp and Salamence, but only if you are faster than them, or if the switch is predicted. +2 Vacuum Wave can leave a massive dent in Hydreigon's HP, and if you can attempt the +4 (Nasty Plot twice) then Salamence, Garchomp and Hydreigon will be blown. Dragonite is always as resistant and after one Dragon Dance, it wipes the Lucario. However, +4 Dragon Pulse at a crit can OHKO Multiscale 4/0/0 EVs defensively Dragonite.

I hope this helps.

~ Sincerely yours, Blitz of Justice.
Thanks a bunch, you've been really helpful. I suppose I can think about it and choose from these. Anyway, if you want, I could keep you updated and tell you if I win. It'll be quite a while before it happens, but it shouldn't be too bad. Thanks again, and wish me luck.
Good luck, and feed me back about the suggestions.