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Any suggestions for my bad Sand team?

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Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers

Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 68 SAtk / 192 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

  • Stealth Rock
  • Crunch
  • Fire Blast
  • Ice Beam

Ferrothorn (F) @ Leftovers

Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 172 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)

  • Spikes
  • Leech Seed
  • Thunder Wave
  • Power Whip

Starmie @ Leftovers

Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

  • Hydro Pump
  • Thunderbolt
  • Rapid Spin
  • Recover

Toxicroak (F) @ Black Sludge

Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

  • Substitute
  • Bulk Up
  • Sucker Punch
  • Drain Punch

Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf

Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)

  • Earthquake
  • Stone Edge
  • Hidden Power [Ice]
  • U-turn

Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf

Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

  • Overheat
  • Volt Switch
  • Hidden Power [Grass]
  • Trick

asked Aug 17, 2012 by Mewderator
I'll be Answering this, so no one answer it.
Why would this be bad?
It could be better.
I agree with JCM. A Sandstorm team that counters Rain Teams is not bad at all. How many times has this team won and lost? What makes it bad?
Sorry PB, just gotta answer this one. Don't worry, Mew will choose yours over mine anyway.
Mike, are you ever going to answer? :P
Yes, I said I will Answer tomorrow.

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Tyranitar: OK, so this guy is a mixed attacker. He has good bulk, and get's a SpD sandstorm Boost. Because he gets that Sandstorm boost, I think you can give him some Physical defense, so he can withstand an EQ. Try this spread : 248 HP/ 68 SpA/ 128 Def/ 66 SpD/ And if you wanted you could make him Relaxed. This would make a nice Tyranitar, and He'd be pretty bulky. HOWEVER, you're almost sure to know what is coming next. I simply cannot answer this RMT with out suggesting...

Hippowdon @Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 SpD/ 4 Def
Nature: Careful
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Slack off
-Toxic

I like this guy's bulk, and stalling tactics better. I've tried both sand-streamers, and I'll choose Hippowdon over Tyranitar any day. Just had to throw it out there.


Ferrothorn: I've usually found taking the time to get up spikes is a waste. It only does a bit-o damage to the poke's and doesn't hit Flying/Levitating foes anyway. This ferrothorn is best for leech seed stalling, and he usually does better in the rain. People usually find a way to fix him before he can do all of his stuff (in the sand, that is). I also believe there are better Steel Types out there. Plus, if you follow MY advice, hippo will be your staller. It looks like you want another bulky pokemon on your team, and I think I have the answer.

Metagross @Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk
Nature: Adamant(+Atk, -SpA)
-Zen Headbutt
-Hammer Arm
-Earthquake
-Meteor Mash

Tank. I do believe he is the best steel type tank in OU. You should definitely give him a try. He's SO strong. He utterly destroys Blissey. His biggest threat is a burn, in which case you can switch into Rotom-Heat if you predict it.


Starmie: I love starmie, and you have a good set (assuming you hit with hydro pump). But, why Lefties? You should definitely give him something to compliment his variety of attacks. You could give him the expert belt, seeing that he's going to have a lot of super-effective moves, or you could give him the good 'ol life orb. He's got the speed, now you just need to make him hit hard. He's not going to survive that many hits anyway.


Toxicroak: Ohiseewhatyoudidthere! Yup, it's the dry skin toxicroak, to help you with your massive water weakness. Well, you know there's another guy that's been working REALLY well in OU lately, and I'm sure you've heard of UP's great set. Oh yes, I'm talking about the legendary (not, like, LEGENDARY legendary, but he's legendary) Gastrodon!

Gastrodon @Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP/ 128 SpA/ 44 Def/ 84 SpD
Nature: Modest(+SpA, -Atk) or, for the more bulky type, Calm(+SpD, -Atk)
-Stockpile
-Scald
-Ice Beam
-Recover

This guy is so wonderful, and once he's stockpiled, he's only really hurt by poison. I like toxicroak too, but since you said in your description that the team isn't working so well, you might as well try him out.


Landorus: Now this is new, we have HP ice! (It might just be new to me) Das Kule. It really takes care of Gliscor, if that's your problem. Being that he's Scarfed, I think it would be fine to give your Landorus a Mild nature to power up HP ice. I'm enthusiastic about this guy! ;)


Rotom-H: Finally we see rotom. He looks good, and will be unaffected by those burns that can hurt your physical attackers on this team. Stops those who set up in their tracks. It's good! He compliments your team nicely!


Good luck in the sand!

answered Aug 18, 2012 by Giga
selected Sep 11, 2012 by Mewderator
("I'll be Answering this, so no one answer it. — commented 6 hours ago by PokemonBlack10") No one can stop you from answering the question,But...I doubt your suggestions will be better than Mike's...
Thanks Giga, but I'll wait for Mike's answer first, alright?
AB is right...... I think Mike really wanted to answer that.
Yeah, thanks for the positive encouragement KiddSwagg, and Mike can still answer! I just wanted to give my advice too. It's fine, I don't by any means think I'll get MY answer chosen. My advice is all I wanted to give.
Understandable, don't take it to the heart.
:D :) :I :( :c D:
Though there is some good suggestions there are some I have to disagree with.
Hippowdon has big problems taking Ice and water hits something tyranitar can do even with the weakness.
The tyranitar set provides great synergy with landorus as tyranitars special bulk helps it takes many special hits.
It can take 3 scalds from a poli and I know toxicroak is there but he gets creamed by starmie or ruencluss.
Toxicroak is just a way for ruencluss to stat boost while you pp stall yourself with sucker punch it's hard to predict the psyshock.
Landorus would have problems and as for Hippowdon it can't touch ruencluss.
Starmie ruins Hippowdon as does Abomasnow who is becoming more popular Tyranitar can deal with them both taking almost no damage.
The set is to counter threats such as ferrothorn which landorus takes time doing.
As well as providing dark coverage against starmie and jellicent.
Though I have left rotom out he also plays a big factor in protecting tyranitar and landorus from burns as well as levitating so tyranitar does not need physical bulk.
Hippowdon kind of makes rotom redundant IMO as it now serves almost no purpose Appart from fire support and burn taker which internals now does better giving powerfully fighting stabs as well.

Spikes useless?
Are you kidding?
Spikes can win you the game.
This team has good synergy and though could be improved it will be forcing the team to switch allot which makes life very easy for those Pokemon that don't do the job like landorus using up ice on Hippowdon.
After spikes and rocks life is easy for landorus.

Also I have rambled on to long mild is not a good idea ;)
Ohai blob! Let me respond to your following concerns.

Hippowdon-- A big problem taking water hits? Ermm, No. The Hippo Found above isn't 2HKO'd by a 0 SAtk EV Politoed's Scald. Don't even bother me with his ice type troubles... If you read my answer, I suggested Gastrodon>toxicroak simply BECAUSE of toxicroak's weaknesses, and Gastrodon's epic troll/tank-ness. Starmie Ruins Hippowdon? No offense, but that is a pretty shallow statement. I'm assuming you meant it could rapid spin his rocks, and get cured by toxic from natural cure. Well, this is the very reason Hippowdon is given a 100 Attacking STAB move. Hippowdon, regardless of his Atk EV's Has at least 260 Atk, which is not bad. It'll still take a chunk outta starmie, 2 or 3 Hit KO'ing the traditional ones. To say the least, It'll do a chunk. Hippowdon can definitely take a surf from a starmie as well. Every pokemon has its counters, but I thought hippowdon would be good on Mew's team. The team is meant to work together. With an advanced player like mew, Hippowdon isn't just going to stay in and get pummeled by water/ice type attacks. Gastrodon is there for water, and Metagross is hurt by ice about as much as a Mountain is hurt by a kitten.
(*Gigaslash proceeds to read blobs answer, which rambles on reminding us of what DARK type is, and what it covers... yadayadayada....) Oooh! Spikes! Right. I guess spikes aren't a bad idea... if you consider taking 3 turns to get up an entry hazard that doesn't affect about 30 % of pokemon, can be removed in one second, and does but a teenie bit of damage-- but otherwise Stealth rock does the job for me. Thanks for your concern blob, but my teammates are working with a minimal amount of flaw. ;]
That Hippowdon takes around 90% damage from a surf after soles and rocks it's got no chance tyranitar though could take a possible 3 without hazards though.
No point making all this arrogant rubbish up when I wasn't having a go all I was trying to put across mainly that Hippowdon doesn't fit in here.
It ruins the core and the needed synergy, the special based set let's it take more hits than Hippowdon from common special moves eg hp ice
Hippowdon doesn't fit in on an offensive team unless running an offensive set and fails to counter gyarados which tyranitar could.
Hippowdon can't afford to use 3 earthquakes on starmie starmie will finish it off after hazards or it's hydro pump is an Ohko.

I'm not even going to argue about spikes almost everybody will agree its a good move and when a Pokemon like ferrothorn uses its 3 turn set up is a doddle.

Please don't respond to this -__- I was stating in the previous comment something's I would change just like a rmt.
If you do, be civilised without the cocky attitude, it just makes you seem a bit of a...

Sorry for any inconvenience or upsets as stated this precious comment was not having a go.
According to Damage Calculators, Starmie @ Life Orb does 78 to 92% damage to your Hippo with Surf. My computer is kind of lagging but i think Blob is right.
Scarfed Abomasnow OHKO'es your Hippo with Wood Hammer, that i'm sure.
Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh blob, I'll try to be nicer this time-- note I was just trying to get my point accross and not offend anybody. @JCM & Blob: I was trying to stress how the team I presented was meant to work together, this wasn't supposed to be the "Make a list of all of Hippowdon's counters" kind of deal. There ARE pokemon that can 1HKO hippowdon, but there are certainly pokemon that can 1HKO T-Tar too! Whaddya MEAN Hippowdon doesn't synergize with the team? His SpD is great, and he CAN take HP ice like almost nothing. Don't forget, Hippowdon has slack off, meaning he most likely is NOT going to be 3HKO'D. Mew asked me to improve his team, and trust me, I did.