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The official Bans, Clauses, and Tiers of the PokemonDB. Ready for action!

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Tiers are soon to be, excited? Anyways, This is PokemonDB's official Metagame rules.


Clauses

If you re on this page, you are likely a battler. Most of you should know these clauses, but we have some new ones. Plus a refresher never hurt. For those who do not know, clauses are universal rules to ever tier(w/ exceptions). They basically nerf out some annoying as hell strategies, such as using Spore on an entire team. We currently use Smogon's basic clauses, as well as 2 new ones. Get used to these, because they can cost you a match if you aren't up to speed.

Species Clause - A player cannot have two Pokemon with the same National Pokédex number on a team.
For example, using a team with two Koffing would break this clause.
Using different formes on the same team, such as Rotom-W and Rotom-C, also breaks the clause since they share the same Pokédex number (#479).

Sleep Clause - You lose if, at the end of your turn, two of your opponent's Pokemon were put to sleep by a move you used but were not forced into, and neither have had their sleep removed since then.
The clause basically means that if you have already put a Pokemon on your opponent's side to sleep and it is still sleeping, you can't put another one to sleep.
A move you were "forced into" is a move you must use because all other moves (that cannot inflict sleep) are disabled (by Choice item, Encore, or some combination of Taunt, Disable, Torment, and lack of PP) and you cannot switch (due to trapping moves, trapping abilities, Ingrain, or having all other Pokemon be fainted).
A move you used includes moves called by Metronome, Sleep Talk, Assist, Me First, or Copycat. It does not include Magic Coat or Magic Bounce.
Rest, used by either player, is never counted by this clause.

Evasion Clause - A Pokemon may not have the moves Double Team or Minimize in its moveset, nor plain accuracy lowering such as Sand Attack.
Generally, this rule will be automatically enforced in simulator play. In Wi-Fi play, a player is considered to have broken the clause when a Pokemon is revealed to have been brought into the battle with a banned move.

OHKO Clause - A Pokemon may not have the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold in its moveset.
Generally, this rule will be automatically enforced in simulator play. In Wi-Fi play, a player is considered to have broken the clause when a Pokemon is revealed to have been brought into the battle with a banned move.

Moody Clause - A team cannot have a Pokemon with the ability Moody.

Hazards Clause - Stealth Rock, Poison Spikes, and / or Spikes cannot be on the field together. This means Spikes cannot be used if Stealth Rock is up, vice versa.

Instant Abilities Clause - A team cannot use Drizzle, Drought, Sand Stream, or Snow Warning with the following abilities:
Sun: Chlorophyll, Flower Gift, Leaf Guard, and Solar Power.
Rain: Hydration and Swift Swim.
Sand: Sand Veil, Sand Force and Sand Rush.
Hail: Ice Body and Snow Cloak.

This clause does not apply in Ubers.


Tiers

What is a tier?

Tiers are the only real way to pick out the low from the weak, so everyone can have fun. Seeing 6 dragons vs. 6 Sunflora is just awful. If you do not understand how they work, think of it as the Square-Rectangle theory. A Square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares.

There are 5 primary tiers, being Ubers, OverUsed, UnderUsed, RarelyUsed, and NeverUsed. (There are also special Metagames such as NFE, Little Cup, and Clear Skies.) How do they work? Well, low tiers can be used in higher tiers, higher tiers cannot be in lower tiers! If you use a team of Bidoof, Patrat, Weedle, Pidgey, Starly, and Dialga, your team is classified as Ubers. You may not face people off in any other tier. If Dialga was instead a Politoed, your team would classified as OU. It can battle OU players and Ubers players. Get it? No matter what, the highest tiered Pokemon in a team makes it that tier. I'll make it simple.

  • Ubers: Any Pokemon can be used here!

  • OverUsed: Pokemon from any tier can go here, except Ubers. Also the most commonly played.

  • UnderUsed: Pokemon from any tier except OU and Ubers can play here.

  • RarelyUsed: Only RU and NU Pokemon can go here.

  • NeverUsed: Only Pokemon from this tier can go here!

asked Jun 1, 2013 by Nindzya
edited Jun 3, 2013 by Nindzya
Bringing back the DB tiers? Awesome :)
Swift can you get on Chat so we can battle.
Ninja the lists are done in that pad. I'll be on tomorrow so if we see each other and you need the link I'll get it to you.
Oooh oooh the tiers!! Well, this is going to be awesome. although we don't have a place to enforce these tiers (we can do it just by telling each other but it's still not to convenient), if hopefully we get a functioning server on PS! or PO< then we can create a new metagame with these enforced (not sure about new clauses however)
Awesome :D
Now all we need is a showdown server.

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Best answer

Tierlist:


Ubers:
Arceus (All formes)
Blaziken
Darkrai
Deoxys (A+S+Normal)
Excadrill
Genesect
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Kyurem-W
Lugia
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin-S
Sunkern
Thundurus
Tornadus-T
Zekrom

Bans: None.


OU:

Alakazam
Blissey
Breloom
Celebi
Chansey
Cloyster
Conkeldurr
Deoxys-D
Dragonite
Excadrill
Ferrothorn
Forretress
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Haxorus
Heatran
Hippowdon
Hydreigon
Infernape
Jellicent
Jirachi
Keldeo
Kyurem
Kyurem-B
Landorus
Landorus-T
Latias
Latios
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Manaphy
Metagross
Mew
Ninetales
Reuniclus
Rotom-W
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Starmie
Tentacruel
Terrakion
Thundurus-T
Tyranitar
Volcarona

Bans: Ubers, Soul Dew, Speed Boost + Blaziken


UU:

Abomasnow
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azelf
Azumarill
Bisharp
Blastoise
Blaziken (Blaze only)
Bronzong
Chandelure
Claydol
Cobalion
Cofagrigus
Cresselia
Crobat
Darmanitan
Donphan
Dugtrio
Dusclops
Empoleon
Espeon
Feraligatr
Flygon
Frosslass
Gastrodon
Gligar
Gothitelle
Heracross
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Jolteon
Kingdra
Krookodile
Lucario
Machamp
Medicham
Meloetta
Mienshao
Milotic
Mismagius
Moltres
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Porygon-Z
Porygon2
Raikou
Registeel
Rhyperior
Roserade
Rotom-H
Sableye
Scrafty
Sharpedo
Shaymin
Slowbro
Snorlax
Staraptor
Suicune
Swampert
Sigilyph
Togekiss
Tornadus
Toxicroak
Umbreon
Vaporeon
Victini
Virizion
Weavile
Wobbuffet
Xatu
Yanmega
Zapdos
Zoroark

Bans: Ubers, OU, Speed Boost + Blaziken


RU:

Absol
Accelgor
Aerodactyl
Aggron
Amoonguss
Bouffalant
Cincinno
Clefable
Crawdaunt
Crustle
Cryogonal
Drapion
Druddigon
Durant
Dusknoir
Electivire
Emboar
Entei
Escavalier
Feraligatr
Ferroseed
Frosslass
Gallade
Galvantula
Hariyama
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Kabutops
Klinklang
Lanturn
Lilligant
Magmortar
Magneton
Mandibuzz
Manectric
Mesprit
Omastar
Poliwrath
Quagsire
Quilfish
Rhydon
Rotom
Rotom-C
Sandslash
Sceptile
Scyther
Slowking
Snover
Spiritomb
Steelix
Stoutland
Tangrowth
Typhlosion
Uxie
Whimsicott
Venomoth
Venusaur

Bans: Ubers, OU, UU, SmashPassing


NU:

Alomomola
Altaria
Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Audino
Banette
Basculin
Bastiodon
Beartic
Beautifly
Beedrill
Beheeyem
Belossom
Bibarel
Braviary
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Carracosta
Castform
Charizard
Chatot
Cherrim
Chemicho
Comnusken
Corsola
Cradily
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Dragonair
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Duosion
Dustox
Elektross
Electabuzz
Electrode
Emolga
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Fraxure
Furret
Gabite
Garbodor
Gardevoir
Gigalith
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golbat
Golduck
Golem
Golurk
Gorebyss
Granbull
Gumpig
Gurdurr
Haunter
Heatmor
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kadabra
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Klang
Kricketune
Lairon
Lampent
Lapras
Leafeon
Leavanny
Ledian
Lickilicky
Liepard
Linoone
Lopunny
Ludicolo
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Machoke
Magcargo
Magmar
Mantine
Maractus
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Meganium
Metang
Mightyena
Miltank
Minun
Misdreavus
Mothim
Mr.Mime
Muk
Munchlax
Murkrow
Musharna
Natu
Ninjask
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Pikachu
Piloswine
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Primeape
Probopass
Purugly
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Relicanth
Roselia
Rotom-F
Rotom-S
Samurott
Sawk
Sawsbuck
Scolipede
Seadra
Seaking
Seismitoad
Serperior
Seviper
Shedinja
Shelgon
Shiftry
Shuckle
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
Skuntank
Slaking
Smeargle
Sneasel
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Stunfisk
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Swanna
Swellow
Swoobat
Tangela
Tauros
Throh
Togetic
Torkoal
Torterra
Tropius
Unfezant
Unown
Ursaring
Vanniluxe
Vespiqueen
Victreebel
Vigoroth
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Wartortle
Watchog
Weezing
Whirlipede
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wormadam
Wormadam-G
Wormadam-S
Zangoose
Zebstrika
Zweilous

Bans: Ubers, OU, UU, RU, SmashPassing.


answered Jun 1, 2013 by Nindzya
edited Jun 3, 2013 by Nindzya
Nice tiers XD
excadrill missing its ban in OU - sand rush I think?
Nope. Allowed in OU.
then why is there an excadrill in the uber tier? wouldn't one of its abilities have to be banned in OU to allow that? like blaziken, its banned in UU and OU with speed boost, then its listed in ubers.
btw, if Drought has been banned the Ninetales, although it does have it's perks, does not belong in OU. RU is still blessing it, so Ru or NU would be a suitable home.

Although it's not the hardest thing to overcome, Shedninja could be banned. Though it doesn't really make a massive difference, most people don't use it anyway. your choice.

skynet, considering that you aren't allowed to have Sand stream in OU anyway, I don't think they care about sand rush or not. Excadrill might just move to UU, depending on it's performance. Though that's still something to test (yeah, we do suspect testing to :D)

Quagsire has a good chance of moving down o NU. It's a good physical wall with unaware yeah, but it's still fairly easy to overcome. It finds it's way in RU becoming harder and harder, as it fails to counter or check things as well as it used to. Depending on what other people say, or the usage statistics (I'm not sure how we get them, but it shouldn't be massively hard to work out or at least get a good estimate) NU could make a very good home for it, where it has plent of things to wall very well but a fair few counters to deal with. It makes Quag more balanced.

Metagross should be UU. I assume most people have little doubt why. Weavile should stay UU for now, but should be tested at some point in the future. Lucario is a great addition to UU, as long as it doesn't become to overcentrilizing. If it's too hard to deal with then we might have to move it up, but I don't think that should be a problem.

Not sure how Manaphys going to go, but it seems OK for now.

Anyway, this is what I think. You guys did very well ^.^ keep t up!
Why is sunkern is Ubers??
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Notices and Updates

6/7/13: Beta testers needed!

I need people to start using these tiers and saving replays. If you can spare a replay, please comment w/ it.

6/3/13: The tiers are officially up!

Note that using these will be hard until the server is up. If you want to jump the gun and use them, use "Custom Game".



FAQ

Q: Can (pokemon) be moved?

A: Possibly. Answer here with a well written reasoning. 5-10 sentences long is a good idea. We'll look at it. Tier changes will happen every couple months.


Q: Can a clause be added?

A: Answer w/ a suggestion. Please avoid something like "Politoed Clause: Politoed is banned because it is too good!"


Q: Can I help do the tiers?

A: Sorry, but probably not. Tiering is only available to a VERY select few. Having a bunch would get things out of hand.


Q: This teirs suc! Smogn haz wayyy better evrythang!

A: Shh... I think it's trying to communicate.


Nothing is set in stone. Feel free to throw around suggestions, because it never hurts to suggest.

answered Jun 1, 2013 by Nindzya
edited Jun 7, 2013 by Nindzya