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Suggestions for my Hail Team

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This team is 2/3 against Pokemon Ultimation twice hail on hail so here it is

Abomasnow (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 180 HP / 164 Def / 160 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Blizzard 100% accuracy is real nice especially with that much damage
- Giga Drain healing and stab
- Leech Seed healing
- Attract most people don't expect this on PO

or my physical set

Abomasnow (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Wood Hammer best grass damage and he isnt meant to survive just hit hard thats why wood hammer over seed bomb
- Swords Dance help him do massive damage
- Earthquake hits most things neutral and is just an all around great attack
- Ice Shard priority duh


Froslass (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Blizzard stab and 100% accuracy in hail and great damage
- Shadow Ball stab and nice coverage
- Thunderbolt coverage
- Water Pulse coverage i can usually 3HKO infernape plus the the hail damage


Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 156 HP / 216 Def / 136 SAtk
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock nice to have an entry hazard to help get KO easier
- Rapid Spin i have a big problem other then claydol with stealth rock so i need this
- Explosion if he gets low on health and i need some major damage
- Ice Beam gliscor got on my nerves so i need this


Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Ice Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam/Brick Break i know that curse raises attack but his special attack is higher so here it is or brick break if you want to use that boost from curse
- Curse combined with brick break and substitute is amazing and makes him even more tankier thanks too ice body and leftovers
- Substitute hold off the damage to hit with Brick break than reset
- Toxic/amnesia slowly bring down blissey and other tanks or walls or amnesia to make an even better wall


Electivire (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Motor Drive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch combined with thunderpunch i have a physical bolt beam combo
- ThunderPunch combined with ice punch physical bolt beam combo and stab
- Earthquake coverage helps me hit psychic and ghost types
- Brick Break hits normal types and rock and ground


Kyurem-W @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Turboblaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Draco Meteor
- Fusion Flare
- Ice Burn


extra Pokemon i can throw in if needed.


Weavile (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Night Slash stab of choice and nice crit chance
- Low Kick OHKO tyranitar every time unless the odd focus sash
- Ice Punch great stab OHKO gliscor
- Ice Shard Priority for revenge killing or a last ditch effort.

I may use hariyama instead of weavile depending on my mood.Mike gave me this set and am very grateful for it.


Hariyama (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Knock Off hits ghost types and can get rid of leftovers on walls or choice items on choice users.
- Fire Punch hits ice types and steel types that don't get hit well by ice types.
- Close Combat hits super hard and i can stand the stat drop because of his massive health
- Bullet Punch nice priority and surprising since most people expect mach punch.

asked Mar 16, 2012 by Jona
edited Jun 28, 2012 by Jona
OMG I SURE DO LOVE HAIL TEAMS CUZ I LOVE WALREIN!!!!!!!!
Stealth Rocks....
This is a good mono type ice team, though dont take offence not the best hail, hail doesnt need to be a mono ice team.
Hail is a stalling weather which normally abuses blizzard and uses many non ice sweepers to cover other weakness though i love your weavile set :D
This is better :D electrivire does a great job as does claydol with spin :D personally for electrivire i would find a more bulky pokemon for a switch in but Thumbs up
Thanks for the comments everyone and thanks blob for the advice about it not being mono ice.I could use someone to give me an answer of ways it could maybe flow better

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Best answer

Abomasnow

I dont like a blizzard or leech seed set mainly because it hasnt got great def even with that ev spred which to add to i dont think it adds up right.
Attract is one of my favorite moves but isnt working here.
Lets face it abomasnow isnt the best pokemon in the world with 8 weaknesses it wont be in long so a swords dance set or a scarf set is probably the best.
I use and have found this set very sucsessfull.
@leftovers
Adamant/brave
252hp 252atk 4def
-Swords dance
-Earthquake
-Wood hammer/Seed bomb
-Ice shard
1 swords dance gives him over 600 atk which is not bad.
They will try to counter him with pokemon like heatran but if you can predict a switch earthquake does good damage even without +2 boost.
Wood hammer will does tons of damage and will kill politoad but if you prefer no recoil seed bomb is also good.
You could use ice shard instead of ice punch but personally i prefer ice shard to revenge kill and make up for low speed.
I personally use brave because that allows you to win the weather war but also you can still out run the other slow pokemon in ou such as bronzong.


Frosslass

Ive found frosslass very usefull on this team and there are no changes to be made.


Claydol

I personally dont like claydol and i know this was unlucky but ive needed no use for him so far as only one sr was set up in 5 matches but i guess thats just luck.
Ice beam hasnt been doing much for him and in general it hasnt served any good perpose appart from a spinner so i suggest.

Starmie has great speed and offence and is a good special sweeper.
@life orb
Timid
4hp 252spatk 252speed
Natural cure
-Rapid spin
-Scald
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
Ive used this set many times before and it is great, Works well in hail as well as sun and rain, maybe even sand but that gives it the ability to adapt to each weather.
Scald is around 2hit ko on scizor and gensect which makes it a good revenge killer when they are on low hp.
But obviously if you dont like it use claydol, but i have had lots of sucsess in hail with it.


Regice

Forget stallrein here comes regice, my favorite staller regice.
But your not using its full potential with that set.
Sure the def boost is nice but it already has over 300def and hp so its not needed as much plus i dont like the speed loss.
You may as well make use of hail and abuse blizzard rather than ice beam.
substitute and toxic did work quite well but i didnt find it worked as well with curse and blizzard plus i got screwed over twice by taunt.
Regice is also stalled to death with toxic.
Try this set, i use it and it works wonders.
@leftovers
Bold
252hp 252def 4spdef
Ice body
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Thunder wave
-Flash cannon or Substitute
This set has worked wonders for me, toxic is optional over thunder wave but i prefer t wave because this guy stalls as well as has great offence with the foe paralized it out runs the foe and comes back with blizzard or unexpected bolt beam combo which kills unexpected politoad.
T wave also lets your team out run there sweepers that wreck havoc.


Electrivire

I didnt like him on the team to much salamance is a very good option but i will put more replacments below.
All i would do is run vital spirit to prevent a breloom spore as your team has no weakness to electric moves.
Also cross chop over brick break but as for everything else, well its great.

Everything is fine here but you could always run fire fang which makes a good revnge killer and then gets moxie boost but flamethrower(more reliable) or fire blast is a good option.
I personally would use flamethrower to stop accuracy hax.
Also im not to sure about dragon claw seen as outrage is there and your using scarf, if you wasnt using scarf its a good option.


Weavile

Everything is fine here but i dont like focus sash because entery hazards waste it even with a rapid spinner on the team.
So with its high atk and great speed its worth using life orb seen as the extra atk may meen you wont need to take the hit, do be causious round infernape breloom and concelduur though who always seem to cary mach punch or lucarios vacume wave.


OK im still having problems with the many ice pokemon you need more counters such as for heatran, plus two that i highly recomend you switch for someone like frosslass.


My favorite hail team sweeper.
@life orb
Timid or modest
4hp 252spatk 252speed
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden power ice
-Heat wave
-Air slash or roost
Why none expects a heat wave from zapdos i dont know but it is your counter to most of your teams weaknesses.
Heat wave sweeps allot of pokemon such as forretress, ferrothorn, scizor, breloom and other pokemon.
Bolt beam combo again just hidden power ice will ohko salamnce and is a 2hit ko on multiscale dragonite doing up to 252hp on the first move and up to 504 on the second.


I prefer zapdos because its immune to spikes and has an unexpected factor.
But Infernape hits even harder and close combat and mach punch wrecks many pokemon but just like zapdos it will die quik with life orb and hail damage.
Plus is a good heatran counter.
@life orb
Jolly
4hp 252atk 252speed
-Fire punch
-Thunder punch
-Mach punch
-Close combat
the 3 punch moves get a boost from iron fist as well as two get stab.
This guy also takes barely any sr damage.


Ok not so scarey and not so used in teams but is beast in hail.
He is a usefull switch in to pokemon with thick fat and high hp, it takes around 20% hp from heatran.
I personally love this guy and its close combat kills as well a access to knock off ruining pokemon like blissey, chansey, porygon 2 and other various walls or sweepers.
ive forgotten the set i use but it was something around this.
@leftovers
252hp 252atk 4hp
Adamant
Thick fat
-Fire punch
-Close combat
-Knock off
-Bullet punch
I love this set, fire punch is a supprise to ferrothorn and and gensect.
Bullet punch is revenge and is actually rather effective on him.
Close combat hits very hard and knock off has been explained.

Once again as i said these should replace frosslass as frosslass doesnt do as much as weavile for the team.
I hope i helped though and i would love to battle the team.

answered Apr 21, 2012 by Blobyolo
**Ive used the team and found many problems**

Scizor
 No pokemon can counter this guy very well, no fire moves and one swords dance was a major problem.
Bullet punch nearly ohkos your whole team.

ferrothorn
Your only counter is electrivire doing most damage with cross chop (i dint find brick break was doing anything) doing 39% of a 252hp 4def and 252spdef.
Which is a 3hit ko, unless the foe is leftovers which is 4hit ko or has leech seed as well 5hit ko nearly.
That isnt great again lacking fire moves.
Electrivire will be dead before killing it though taking life orb damage, iron barbs, possible rocky helmet, leech seed and finally power whip or gyro ball.
This pokemon wrecks your team.

Gensect
Another 4x fire pokemon.
A common lead normally scarfed wrecks havock with scarf and flamethrower and uturn.
not much else to be said but this guy normally kos half your team.

Salamance
Ok not as big as a problem but this guy also wrecks your team.
I know half your team carries ice moves and even ice priority but with the same scarf set as yours it kills i had problems killing it thats why i suggest priority on abomasnow.

Sorry this bit is a comment this was the first part of the answer but the answer can only be 8000 letters long and this went way over the limit :D
Please noone hate this answer as i spent a few hours on this because i love hail.
Good answer Blob ;)
Starmie is going to die so fast with Orb and Hail. Add Recover.
Ok my regiice has just been bossing the way he is so not changing that. Weavile has been. Saved so many times by that focus sash. Claydol has gotten stealth rock and rapid spinning off every time I have needed him. Abomasnow has been working out well and will try your set because it looks better.I will try all of your suggestions I am thinking about switching amnesia for toxic on regiice because he needs more damage. Thanks for the answer  it is amazing but this team has worked well for me.I can not believe that I forgot about infernape *face palm* and for the record my regiice set and frosslass have been bossing so they won't be going anywhere sorry amazing answer
Thank you:)
The regice set if you keep yours and go defensive I've just tried protect on him:)
Try that works great, they take hail and toxic damage while you get a free turn of healing.
dude i just tried out flamethrower and crunch on salamence and the hariyama for weavile also put toxic on regice.I just went against a team and didnt lose one guy thanks a ton dude!!
Lol :) your welcome, I love hail.
I'm amazed he didn't rage quit a 4-0
Hariyama is great in hail, so is heatran if you want to consider him, no one uses haryama but most Gail teams carry heatran.
Me personally wouldn't Use heatran, you could try it as it takes no fire damage but 4x ground weakness limiting your item options to wether you use a balloon or not.
But it has good offence and can work just like infernape