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What is a good moveset for Bisharp?

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asked Oct 1, 2010 by trachy
edited Feb 10, 2011 by Pokemaster
Likely tier: Overused
Actual Tier: UU
New Tier : OU
lol its definitely OU

18 Answers

6 votes

Lets see...

Psycho cut-Covers fighting weakness.

Stealth Rock/Rock polish/thunder wave-one of the few gen 5 pokemon to learn it. Rock polish boosts speed. Thunder wave can cut speed, giving him a chance to sweep.

Iron Head/Night slash-Good power, chance to flinch, STAB. Or chance a critical hit with Night slash.

Stone Edge-Deals with Fire weakness.

answered Oct 1, 2010 by DarkTyphlosion
edited Oct 1, 2011 by DarkTyphlosion
Wouldn't it be better to have iron head and night slash as STAB is more important than coverage
Other sets have both though. This is simply another one that doesn't.
This set would give it STAB either way because iron head=steel nightslash=dark
typing/dark+steel
so...
3 votes

This is the most gimmicky move-set I could think of, but it is kind of fun:

Bisharp (M) @ Iron Ball
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Metal Burst
- Fling
- Revenge
- Taunt
Alright, people are going to think I am crazy, but here we go. Metal Burst is like a combined Mirror Coat and Counter, but only deals 1.5x damage received, rather than double. Fling, paired with Iron Ball and STAB will do a one-off 195 power (130 x 1.5= 195), pretty nice damage if I do say so myself, especially from this thing's attack stat. Revenge does more damage if the user has just been hit, seeings how he is Brave with Iron Ball, this guy is slower than just about anything, so he'll probably get hit. Taunt is to force attacking moves, this will power up Revenge, and force them to activate Metal Burst.
EV's and nature are pretty simple, Brave Nature boosts attack, which is nice, and lowers speed, which this set doesn't care about. EVs maximize Attack, increase HP to 301, and give it a little bit of Special bulk so it won't get wiped out by a single Surf or something... I chose the ability Inner Focus because this guy is so slow, pretty well anything with a flinch move could mess the set up, but we're mainly concerned with Jirachi and Togekiss and their Serene Grace.

answered Sep 2, 2011 by Heinz_Ketchum
edited Sep 2, 2011 by Heinz_Ketchum
Interesting idea. Strange, but still interesting nonetheless.
Thanks, I try to think outside the box. To be honest, Bisharp doesn't have a large enough HP stat to really be widely effective, if he had more HP and a recovery move, it would be far more useful.
He goes great with ghost pokemon, but that gives pretty shallow type coverage.
This set is Steel (MB), Dark (Fling), Fighting (Revenge), it covers everything neutral, not to mention Metal Burst isn't affected by weakness or resistance.
By shallow type coverage, I meant Bisharp in General, not necessarily this moveset. Dark and ghost STAB overlaps a lot of types. The set you gave gives good coverage, I wasn't referring to that.
Well, it's a pretty interesting Bisharp, but I find it quite risky at the same time because of its weaknesses that could be taken out quite easily, especially Fighting-type moves.  I would make a set with Payback, Metal Burst, Revenge, & Guillotine, and it's held item a Focus Sash, so it will last a hit so it can at least do a great attack before it faints.
2 votes

I dunno. OU sounds like it's pushing it a little. It needs a turn of setup in Swords Dance, and needs another in Thunder Wave. it has a weakness to Fire, Ground, and a x4 weakness to Fighting, which all seem to be shaping to be common in this generation. Also, Base 60 Special Defense and Base 65 HP is nothing to be proud of.

I'd say high-end UU, at best. He'd be clobbered by all of the faster Pokemon / Earthquake-users in OU, and a lack of effecient attack types makes it even less useful there. It may be able to be a lead with Stealth Rock and Thunder Wave, but personally, I don't think it will be an OU force.

Anyway, long rant aside, here's a good moveset to match what I'm saying:

Stealth Rock
Thunder Wave
Pursuit
Night Slash / Iron Head

answered Oct 1, 2010 by ~-~WILL~-~
I'd put in him in borderline at best.
I like this guy. I expect him to not be a driving force in Overused, but more like a useful Pokemon you will see a medium amount in there.
He just doesn't have the guns to pull anything. He's got a high Attack stat, but he needs Thunder Wave / Rock Polish to buff. He doesn't have time to buff up with that bad bulk though. With Baton Pass support, he may be able to perform in OU, but then again, 90% of all fully evolved Pokemon can, as well.

He just seems...Mediocre. Not even a lot of his attacks are that strong.
I think sucker punch work pretty well for this guy because, like you said he's pretty slow and would likely be taken out before he can do much
Thunder wave makes the opponents pokemon move last so sucker punch isn't really needed here
2 votes

AM I SEEIN' A COPY OF SCIZOR?! IT SEEMS LIKE THIS THING IS JUST A DIFFERENT DUAL TYPE SCIZOR! based on its stats............
Ability: Competetive Spirit
Nature: Jolly: mine as well get some speed.

EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 SD

Scary Face/Swords Dance/Rock Polish: To Lower Stats or raise your own

Iron Head: STAB

Psycho Cut: For Fighting

Night Slash: STAB

answered Oct 2, 2010 by Swampert
edited Oct 2, 2010 by Swampert
2 votes

Bisharp (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 36 Def / 220 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Rock Polish
- Low Sweep
- Iron Head

Sucker Punch is for right away, in case yo are unable to set up Rock Polish. Rock Polish takes care of the biggest problem with Bisharp: its low speed. Low Sweep also helps with that, but more important it offers type coverage. I mean, let's face it, Dark and Steel doesn't offer much type coverage. Iron Head gives STAB.

answered May 1, 2011 by trachy
edited May 15, 2011 by trachy
1 vote

Bisharp is cool :Jolly: Life orb: 252 speed and attack 4 hp

Rock polish(Let the sweeping begin!)

Iron head(STAB Flinch flinch FLINCH!)

Aerial ace/Pscycho cut(Kill the fighting types)

Stone edge/Night slash/stealth rock/ brcik break(Your choice from coverage or entry hazard)

answered Feb 11, 2011 by Speed freak
1 vote

i think a good moveset is:
Ability:defiant

Night slash
Psycho cut
Stone edge
Ghost claw

Item:Scope lense
Nature: Jolly
good set for 1hko with high crit ratio

answered Jul 20, 2011 by kmankwaane
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Well, we now have a Power Ranger as a Pokemon. But this guy is good, I have to say. He is made of two very good types, although he should stay away from some Fighting types. He reminds me of Gallade.

Ability: Pressure

EVs: Attack, Defense, Speed Nature: Impish

Swords Dance: Ultimate power as always.

Night Slash: Dark type STAB.

Psycho Cut: Deals with those Fighting types.

Iron Head/Stealth Rock: Stealth Rock for those of you who use entry hazards. For those who don't, go with Steel STAB.

answered Oct 1, 2010 by trachy
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A decent physical attacker.

Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack
Item: Leftovers or Life Orb

Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Brick Break (or Ankle Sweep which can make up for speed deficiency)
Rock Polish or Swords Dance

Shame we don't have Dragon Dance, but Rock Polish is a viable option giving a high chance of out-speeding most pokemon.

answered Feb 11, 2011 by Pokemaster
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Well, I, as a fellow bisharp fan, have found a decent moveset for it... emphasis on decent, its very beatable, the main things you want to look out for being stealth rock, spikes, and blizzard (toxic spikes are ineffective on steel, sandstorm misses steel). Anyway, on to the actual set.

Bisharp @focus sash (very much required) and, as stated a million times, 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 hp.

Swords dance
Sucker punch
Aerial ace/psycho cut/night slash (I prefer psycho cut over aerial ace, crit rate is better than accuracy to me, as for n.s. vs p.c., id prefer that night slash STAB)
Iron head (flinch, flinch everywhere+STAB=realistic troll)

Bisharp being slow, it is important to have sucker punch. Because of focus sash (as long as there aren't effective entry hazards/blizzard/smart opponent with leech seed) you're gonna get an extra turn to set up a crucial swords dance. If you can force the switch out by setting bisharp against something you both know won't work on bisharp, you can set up 2 swords dance, usually enough to beat most pokemon, even n.v.e pokemon, and if you can set up 3, you might get ragequits. This set relys on sucker pucnh, but if you suspect they won't use a damaging move, USE THE FREAKING BACKUP MOVES! This set has actually given me a couple bisharp sweeps, and I usually try to get the entry hazard setups out of the way before I send it out, as this set relies on sending bisharp out with full hp.

answered Mar 13, 2011 by drtrunk
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Bisharp gets a good attack stat as it is, I'd put the EVs into defense or special defense instead of attack. Here's what I feel is a good set:

Nature: Jolly

EVS:
I recommend maxing out speed, and either splitting the remaining EVs in defense and special defense, or maxing out HP so you've got enough bulk to withstand multiple attacks.

Moves:
Psycho cut (to cover fighting weakness)
Iron Head (STAB)
Night Slash (STAB)
Swords Dance {to raise attack}

Additionally, I have a few substitutions. Hone claws would be good for raising both attack and accuracy, but at a slower rate than swords dance. Switching one of the offensive moves with X scissor could help bring down dark types, and provide an unexpected surprise when attacking.

Having inner focus isn't a bad ability, as it prevents flinching, but defiant works well if you want to get a higher attack stat quicker. I'd also recommend giving Bisharp a focus sash or a chople berry, to help combat the 4x fighting weakness.

answered Apr 21, 2011 by ToxicRainbowCupcakes
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Bisharp... One of the BEST users of Sucker Punch
Bisharp
Adamant Nature
Item: Blackglasses
Ability: Defiant
Swords Dance - A must. One swords dance is enough to 1HKO or 2HKO many. Two will guarantee a 1HKO on fighting types with sucker punch. Three will cause ragequits.

Sucker Punch - The main part of this set. Needs to be breeded in. However, if you have it, High Base Attack + STAB + Swords Dance + Blackglasses = Ragequit

The best part about Bisharp is that he is immune to poison, so he is difficult to stall.

Night slash and Iron Head - Backup if your enemy tries to stall away your precious Sucker Punch PP. Night Slash is always preffered, because of Blackglasses and better type coverage. However, if you want flinches or the enemy is Rock/Ice type, use Iron Head. You need both moves.

No need for Rock Polish, too long to set up, and Sucker Punch takes care of that. By the time he got rock polish set up, he might have already been brick breaked.

Only combat fighting types if you have 2-3 Swords dances under your belt. If you have 3, then do NOT switch out. Most people will be eager to finish off Bisharp with a 4 times weakness fighting type move. Most will proceed to attack and completely forget about the Sucker Punch. However, with the three swords dances plus Blackglasses plus STAB plus high base attack, it will be a Sucker Punch instant kill, period. And when I say period, I mean PERIOD. If they do not have a focus sash, they will be instantly vaporized.

He is one of my favorites - this moveset abuses his high base attack to the fullest.

answered May 15, 2011 by ShaoDaSpycrab
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Extreme high crit rate Sweeper. Non-PO Bisharp. This one I actually own. Wow, this is just a Steel-Type Absol....


@Razor Claw/Scope Lens (This is why it's not PO.)
Adamant (Impish is also good, but this is what hatched.)
Psycho Cut
Night Slash
Stone Edge
Swords Dance
Ability SHOULD be Pressure, but mine has Defiant. Suggested EV's: 156 Atk 252 Def 100 Spd


Pressure lowers those extremely powerful/annoying/overused moves like Hydro Pump to 3 uses rather than 5. Stone Edge Has a high crit ratio and covers Ice, FIRE, Bug, and Flying. Psycho Cut puts the major weakness plus poison in their place. I think I'll just say now that all the moves have High Crit Ratio. Night Slash is STAB. Swords Dance is boosting, because it doesn't have full attack EV's.

answered Nov 4, 2011 by [MEGA]StellarLucario
edited Nov 5, 2011 by [MEGA]StellarLucario
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Ability- Defaint

Night Slash- STAB

Iron Head- STAB

X-Scissor

Stone Edge- Coverage from Fire-types

answered Jun 7, 2012 by MrAlexanderog
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One of my Favorite OU sets! works best in Rain...
Bisharp
Ability: Defiant
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 248 HP, 252 Atk, 8 Def
Moves:

Snatch
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
Brick Break

Perfect set for a tier where a lot of Pokemons LOVE to set up. Snatch is great to steal any type of boost + Wish/Sotfboiled from Chansey's/Blissey's. Swords Dance is when you have the chance to set up. Sucker punch is to troll when your opponent has gotten something snatched and decides to attack. Brick break is there for STAB.

answered Dec 28, 2012 by Lusty
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Well, Bisharp was denied OU and will be debuting in UU Beta this generation. Bisharp, however, will be able to fit into this metagame perfectly and you can bet I will be abusing it as much as I can before it eventually gets sent up.

First things first is that every team looking for perfect synergy will require a Dark or a Normal type. Only Dark resists Ghost. Another thing is that Bisharp no longer worries about getting wall by every Steel now Dark can it normally. Sucker Punch can run right through it hitting Scizor, Genesect, and Aegislash.

You might think that Aegislash could care less for Bisharp thanks to King's Sheild, but when Aegislash uses King's Shield on Bisharp, he won't lose any attack thanks to his ability Defiant. The same goes for when Bisharp lands on Sticky Web, but instead, his Attack goes up by 2.

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Bisharp @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch

Fairly simple Pokemon who can fit on any team as a setup sweeper. Swords Dance makes Bish able to destroy anything that it won't resist his attacks. Iron Head now hits Fairy's and can cause flinch a healthy amount of the time as well as providing a strong STAB move. Knock Off got a huge buff this generation and Bisharp is one of the strongest users of it. It can also tack off an item from the opponent. Sucker Punch can land some faster hits as base 70 speed isn't too impressive.

The EVs give him enough bulk to avoid being 2HKO'd by weak Hidden Powers and fast enough to outspeed some Aegislash and Scizor sets.

You also have the choice of choosing between Leftovers and Life Orb. Leftovers will increase survivability while Life Orb will do the exact opposite, but still tack on a lot of damage.

Have fun with Bisharp, try to use him as much as possible in UU just in case it gets sent up OU!

answered Jan 3 by hotcakes
edited Jan 3 by hotcakes
Nice pic. Where is it from?
Pokemon Conquest.
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Hmm, Bisharp. Love this guy.

Here's a set that I've been experimenting with and has been actually working pretty darn well so far.

Bisharp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Nature: Jolly (+Spd -SpA) or Adamant (+Atk -SpA)
- Brick Break/Psycho Cut
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off
- Iron Head

Adamant is for that extra pure killing power, while Jolly is to outspeed some fast pokes (I'm not sure which is preferred, I've just been experimenting). I've found that this thing makes for a fantastic revenge killer, and the surprise factor of having a scarf on a Bisharp is priceless. The only problem is that Stone edge is a bit inaccurate and a miss can easily spell Bisharp's doom. But anyways, Stone Edge is for trashing any flying type that isn't Skarmory, Gliscor, or Landorus, Knock Off is a great STAB (if the other Pokemon has an item), Iron Head is for STAB , Fairy killing, and potential flinches, and it's your choice between Brick Break and Psycho Cut. Psycho Cut's for those pesky fighting types and Brick Break's for pure coverage.

answered Mar 6 by Bosickle
edited Mar 11 by Bosickle
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I've been using this set in Showdown recently and it has been an absolute monster.

Bisharp(f) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant, in case of Intimidate
Role: Bulky Physical Sweeper
EVs: 252 Def, 252 Atk, 4 Hp
Adamant Nature
Sucker Punch- Bisharp's best move. after a couple Swords Dance with Black Glasses, you can OHKO even some of the bulkiest Fighting types
Substitute/Psycho Cut/Iron Head- this one's down to preference. Substitute is useful for setting up because of Bisharp's relatively low defensive stats, psycho cut is good for fighting coverage, and Iron head gets STAB
Swords Dance- Because it's Swords Dance
Stone Edge- Coverage

answered Jul 29 by spottedowl8274
edited Sep 18 by spottedowl8274