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Wanted: A Pokemon that can OHKO and THKO some OU Steel types without Fire STAB?

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Recently, I have had issues with the following Pokemons in OU:
Ferro Forre Skar Sciz
Ferrothorn, Forretress, Skarmory and Scizor.
These guys constantly come in and ruin my day, and I want them fainted before they even can begin causing trouble.
So what I want is a Pokemon that:
- OHKO Scizor and Ferrothorn and THKO Skarmory and Forretress with a priority move (Surdy prevents them from being OHKOd).
- Isn't a Fire type, hence, no Fire STAB. It is easily predictable and just scares them off. Fire type moves is still usable though.
- Preferably a Grass, Dark or Psychic type, to make it irresistible for the Steel menaces.
- It must be able to outspeed all of them, without fail. We assume none of them is ever holding a Choice Scarf.
- Special or Physical, OU or LC, Choiced or Gemed, I don't care, any move, tier or item goes.
- Since these Pokemon is often used on rain teams, it would be a big plus if it could OHKO them in the rain.

asked Jun 17, 2013 by Flafpert
edited Jun 17, 2013 by &Shining Yin
If you can't have fire STAB forget it. The only pokemon you listed often used in rain is ferrothorn which can still get ohko'd by fire stabs
Nothing will be able to kill Skarmory or Forretress without hazard support. Unless you use a Mold Breaker Pokemon. Which is still unlikely to OHKO.
"Since Skarmory and Forretress have Sturdy and hence cannot be OHKO, Pursuit or a priority move would be appreciated."
That still wouldn't be a OHKO
You cold use Magnezone's Hidden Power [Fire].
Man this is a real thinker. Jirachi was my first thought, but it comes for from an OHKO.
Hydreigon maybe?
Hydreigon learns flamethrower and fire blast. He out speeds all of them and has 125 base special attack.

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Jolteon. Modest, Specs. A little overkill, but it works. Stealth Rock support can take down the sturdy ability, which makes it a ton easier, and there is no need for priority.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 340-404 (96.59 - 114.77%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Forretress: 672-792 (189.83 - 223.72%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 224 HP / 32 SpD Skarmory: 582-686 (177.98 - 209.78%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 532-628 (155.1 - 183.09%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Under rain:

Ferrothorn cannot be OHKOed under rain by Jolteon. Bummer.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Forretress: 432-508 (122.03 - 143.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunder vs. 224 HP / 32 SpD Skarmory: 734-866 (224.46 - 264.83%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Thunder vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 342-403 (99.7 - 117.49%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO

Even though Jolteon needs SR support, and cannot OHKO Ferrothorn in the rain, it does the job best. Damage Calculator

answered Jun 17, 2013 by JarJar~
selected Jun 17, 2013 by Flafpert
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Ferrothorn

Ok. Well, For Ferrothorn my best bet would either be have a REALLY strong fire type move to make up for the lack of STAB (Such as Fire Blast or Flare Blitz (Only fire types can learn flare blitz however so you're better off just getting a Fire type in that case if you go for a physical fire attack)

Ferrothorn: http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/ferrothorn

Fire Blast: http://pokemondb.net/move/fire-blast

(You could also go for a STAB Fighting attack since ferrothorn is x2 weak to fighting with some setting up on your Sp Attk or atto ( swords dance and bulk up are preferable) suck as Focus Blast and aura sphere and close combat.

Forretress

For Forretress, I recommend the same fire suggestions as ferrothorn

Forretress: http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/forretress

Skarmory

The GREAT thing about taking out Skarmory is that if you have a rain team and an electric type with high special attack and STAB for Thunders new and improved high accuracy Skarmory doesn't stand much of a chance and if you have a fast electric type you can take Skarmory out before it gets the chance to whirlwind you out.

Skarmory: http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/skarmory

Scizor

Last but not least, Scizor. For Scizor I'd just like to refer you back to Forretress being that they are the same types, what sucks most is that Scizor has crazy fast speed AND Technician ability so I recommend you get a bulky Pokemon for Scizor to be taken care of. You can also if you have some rain air and bulk defense and high special attack have the chance to take out Scizor with a well placed hydro pump.

Scizor: http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/scizor

answered Jun 17, 2013 by Absol-lutelyEmily
Scizor isn't fast...
Do you have any example of a Pokemon that fullfill those criterias? Because that was really the question. I didn't want a strategy, I wanted something to use it.
Eelektross learns flamethrower and thunder. I have one and it is wonderful. It also has no weakness. He just isn't as fast as skarmory.