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So, I made this team when my brother wanted to battle me on Gen 7 anything goes. I have had success with it, but it was still just whipped together, so there is bound to be improvement. It consists of Pokémon from my [Gen 8] AG team, but with tweaks to fit [Gen 7] AG. Here for Poképast link.


Sprite
Kartana
Role: Fast Physical Sweeper
Kartana @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Knock Off
  • Leaf Blade
  • Smart Strike
  • Sacred Sword

I was told to remove this from my [Gen 8] AG Team because Calyrex-Shadow outclassed it, so I did. But Calyrex-Shadow doesn’t exist in [Gen 7] AG, so Kartana was put back on the exact same, with the exception of Psycho Cut being replaced by Knock Off. It is meant to sweep, and that is what it does, however, it is not the fasted Mon out there, so it can be out-sped and KO’d with it’s poor defensives.


Sprite -> Sprite
Kyogre -> Primal-Kyogre
Role: Bulky Special Sweeper
Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Water Spout
  • Scald
  • Thunder
  • Ice Beam

Again, this set is the same as my [Gen 8] AG Kyogre, with the exception of not holding a Choice Scarf anymore, and instead holding a Blue Orb. Water Spout and Scald are Stab, Thunder is working with the rain, and Ice Beam is for coverage. It can’t be KO’s easily, and while not fast, it can definitely hold it’s own in not being KO’d.


Sprite
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Role: Fast Physical Sweeper
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Sunsteel Strike
  • Photon Geyser
  • Knock Off
  • Dragon Pulse

Again, this set is also very similar to my [Gen 8] AG Necrozma set. It has all the same moves, except Dragon Dance being replaced for Dragon Pulse. While it is no longer meant to counter Zacians, it still has use as a Physical Sweeper, and it is bulky, even for being a fast sweeper. I don’t think this Pokémon needs any improvement.


Sprite -> Sprite
Mewtwo -> Mega-Mewtwo-Y
Role: Fast Special Sweeper
Mewtwo @ Mewtwonite Y
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Aura Sphere
  • Psychic
  • Ice Beam
  • Shadow Ball

So, I want to include a Mega Evolution on my team, and the most powerful that came to mind was Mewtwo, and I made a set for it. I don’t know if I should use Rayquaza instead. However, this thing can really sweep, and can only be ruined by something that out-speeds it.


Sprite
White-Kyurem
Role: Bulky Sweeper
Kyurem-White @ Leftovers
Ability: Turboblaze
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 40 HP / 252 SpD / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Roost
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Fusion Flare
  • Ice Beam

This Kyurem set is just the same as my [Gen 8] AG one, but instead the moves are different. Ice Beam and Dragon Pulse is for STAB, and Fusion Flare is for coverage, and Roost is for recovery. It’s weakness are not being able to sweep as well as my other members.


Sprite
Lunala
Role: Fast Special Sweeper
Lunala @ Lunalium Z
Ability: Shadow Shield
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moongeist Beam
  • Moonblast
  • Psychic
  • Cosmic Power

Lunala is holding a Z-Crystal, which helps it sweep. It is slightly tanky, and I can live a couple hits, and can make a mark in the opposing team. However, it can only live 1-2 hits, and it can be destroyed by something that is super effective against it.


Summary: I think this is a pretty good team, but mauve some improvement could be used, because some of the members were just whipped up.
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Kartana:

I was told to remove this from my [Gen 8] AG Team because Calyrex-Shadow outclassed it, so I did. But Calyrex-Shadow doesn’t exist in [Gen 7] AG, so Kartana was put back on the exact same.

That's not understandable. How in the world does Calyrex-Shadow outclass Kartana when both do different things? Indeed, you didn't told that but I question SSuperiority for that. Actually, Kartana's much better in Gen 8 AG where it could use Aerial Ace Dynamax as a alternative of Choice Scarf and be able to sweep things along with boosting its Spe. Dynamax doesn't exist in Generation 7 so it arises no use.

Primal Kyogre:
Those EVs are weird on it. You should change it to something like Max Spa Max Spe if you're running a fast attacker, but this case you should replace it with DarkCeus to get a better match-up against UNecro.

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:
Don't use Knock Off, Photon Geyser or Dragon Pulse. You need a sweeper one that has either a Trick Room Swords Dance or Double Dance Dusk Mane. But, I don't suggest using offensive one right now since you're team has a really, really bad match-up against Xerneas. Change it to SpD set, and make it your Stealth Rocks setter.

Mega-Mewtwo-Y
This? Using this over the supreme AG dominating Mega-Rayquaza is apparently ridiculous. If you had wanted to use it, it must be in a Psychic spam team consisting of Pokemon like Tapu Lele, Deoxys-A which this team doesn't have. Mega-Mewtwo-Y never requires 4 coverage moves; Nasty Plot / Psystrike / Fire Blast / Ice Beam or Recover is the standard set, and you're not utilizing that.

Kyurem-White:
Don't use it in Gen 7 AG. The whole purpose of using it is now in Gen 8 that Primal Reversion has been removed and Kyogre is dominating the meta. Hence, you shouldn't use it. There are a lot of bulky Fairies right now, notably Arceus-Fairy and SpD Dusk mane which give you a hard time. So despite being a Kyurem-White fan and telling to replace it breaks my heart, you still need to get rid of it. It's just C rank back in USUM, it's just not that viable.

Lunala:
It's not a good Z-Move user without Calm Mind. Choice Specs set are considered a lot better for wallbreaking if you don't have the Z-Move slot. So, use Specs Lunala as a breaker instead as we're giving NDM Solgalium crystal.

Tl;dr, use Choice Specs Lunala over Lunalium Z, since you're gonna make Dusk Mane a user of it.


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Replace Kyurem-White with Primal Groudon as your Kyogre counter. It eases up pressure from Primal Kyogre while walling Xerneas, Dusk Mane, Arceus-Fairy while acting as a Stealth Rock setter, meaning you can run offensive Dusk Mane. Here's a set I like using the most:

Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Precipice Blades
- Overheat
- Toxic

Stealth Rocks setter, as well as fading the Magical Deer Xerneas. Overheat hits Physically Defensive Pokemon hard, Rest waves of Status as well your only recovery option. Precipice Blades is 120 BP boosted STAB from 180 Atk hits hard even without any investment. This EV spread almost maximizes SpD while putting some into Def, granting chances to survive some physical hits.

Run Choice Specs set. It's a really good stall and wallbreaker, hard damaging any teams lacking Yveltal or Arceus-Dark.

Lunala @ Choice Specs
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Moonblast / Ice Beam
- Psyshock
- Trick

This set punishes stall hard. Ice Beam handles Zygarde, Yveltal, Rayquaza. Both Psyshock cripple Chansey, along with Trick. It's really annoying for opponent if they run stall. Note that this has a weakness to Arceus-Dark, so I suggest adding an Arceus-Fairy that can take it as well as Mega-Rayquaza.

We gonna have good physical attackers like M-Ray, Primal Groudon and Dusk Mane so Kartana is uneeded. Get rid of it for Arceus-Fairy.

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It's your main physical wall, a soft check to Arceus-Dark, Yveltal, Mega-Rayquaza, Zygarde, etc. from which the later two are very much threatening to any team. It can also be your Defogger, and is indeed one of best to do so. The set that's used often for that:

Arceus-Fairy @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Judgment
- Recover
- Defog
- Toxic

16 Spe reaches and outspeeds Base 90 Neutral Spe Pokemon. An alternative would be 96 Spe EVs along with Timid Nature for outspeeding Adamant Mega-Ray, but then you stand high chance of getting KOed by a +1 Life Orb boosted Dragon Ascent after Stealth Rocks. Judgment 2HKOes M-Ray or OHKO at -1 SpD or after Stealth Rocks. Toxic cripples other non-steel types, Defog removes hazards from your side.

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As already explained above, get either TR SD or RP DD. Since this team isn't a Trick Room team, it will hinder other Pokemon much. So, I suggest using SD RP. But, in my opinion you should make it a SpD set as you're weak to Xerneas.

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Solgalium Z
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Morning Sun
- Sunsteel Strike
- Earthquake

Earthquake hits Primal Groudon as well as Dusk Mane. This set covers a lot of the meta-game—only being threatened by Marshadow for which we have Arceus-Fairy.

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Do I need to explain that when the AG God is under your command, you're gonna use Mewtwo? Plus, what it does is all to type overlap with Necrozma and Lunala, therefore hindering the rest of the team. It literally serves no purpose and reason to use it over Mega-Ray (this doesn't need any explanation!!?)

Rayquaza-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Delta Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Ascent
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Earthquake

This beast. Doesn't need. Any explanation. 120 Dragon Ascent STAB boosted along with Life Orb coming from 180 Atk does nuclear damage, further Dragon Dance means almost nothing in this world can take a +1 Dragon Ascent that doesn't resist it, except the bulkiest of the Pokemon which are still gonna take a hell of damage. Earthquake punishes steel-types as well as rock-types hard. Adamant Nature means 504 Atk, which gonna destroy everything and rip apart teams.

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Primal Kyogre honestly isn't easy to fit. We need a UNecro check as well as a NDM check. Arceus-Dark will fulfill these duties, as well as checking other common Stealth Rock setter in form of Dusk Mane.

Arceus-Dark @ Dread Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Judgment
- Recover
- Refresh
- Calm Mind

Dusk Mane and Ultra-Necrozma counter as well as a Bulky Calm Mind Arceus-support forme. Judgment STAB, Recover to heal HP while Refresh gets rid of dem wicked status and Calm Mind for set-up.
I don't think it's justifiable to use Primal Kyogre as viability as this. It provides defensive utility while not being hindering the rest of the team, which is why I recommend using this over Primal.


Final and Updated team

Sorry for a boring answer. Hope this helps though!

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Ah ye you answered it, nice, upvoted! :))
Thanks a lot! I would give this BA, but I wanna see what Assault says because I told him I wanted him to answer. This will get BA if it is better then Assualt’s or he/she no longer wants to answer.
Oh cool you already saw it. BA then!
> Why are you even using Primal Kyogre outside of a Hyper Offensive team,

Tbh Ogre outside HO is quite underrated. Rest + CM sets can demolish late game. Even though I agree that the EV Spread is quite weird, Ogre can find a place here.

> You need a sweeper one that has either a Trick Room Swords Dance or Double Dance Dusk Mane.

Even though TR and Double Dance NDM is quite good, SpD NDM with Swords Dance also demolishes non-Marsh teams, and finds betwr place on this team.

> Choice Specs set are considered a lot better for wallbreaking

Tbh depends on the team. CM + MMM is a clean wallbreaker, and if you don't bring the DarkCeus at the correct time (for ex, t1 staying PDon on to Rocks, which ngl is suicide) MMM (on the switch) + Moonblast can finish it off after a +1. But as the Z Slot is filled here, Specs may work.

> Rest waves of Status as well your only recovery option.

Yeah that's good, but Toxic > Rest. If it's FairyCeus vs PDon, PDon do Rocks t1, Ceus do Toxic, in the end, without Toxic, you lose the hazard war. Agreed you can Rest, but then Ray comes in ge ge wp.
Rest is very situational, and the opponent can take advantage of the two free turns. Zyg has recovery in Lefties so it's a totally different argument.

> It can also be your Defogger, but bad match-up against Dusk Mane and Primal Groudon tempts not to do so.

Completely disagree. FairyCeus is by far the best Fogger. It's MU against PDon is also good. Both sides trade Toxic, Fairy wins in the wnd because of Recover. Fairy + Dark more or less force PDon + NDM.  

> But, in my opinion you should make it Ultranecrozium because I think it doesn't rely on getting hit by a Super Effective move.

UNecro doesn't quite suit the team. I'll suggest SpD NDM, as the Xern MU is really bad.

> We need a Defogger, as well as a Psyspam check.

Make FairyCeus Fog set. And tbh if you ain't battling me, ABS or Link, you won't see PsySpam. It's extremely uncommon on the Ladder, and you'll prolly wanna phrase that as "a NDM and UNecro check".
A nice set, but as we now have Fog, Refresh / Roar > Fog on it.

Otherwise all well and good.
Do you really need to tell this after nearly 3 months, and told it's okay beforehand? First, building around Primal Kyogre isn't easy. Why had you need to build so much around it when it's much easier around something else? SpD NDM is good I agree, but this team already has SpD PDon for Xerneas. So what's wrong with going around Offensive NDM? Also, MMM + CM is a good wallbreaker for sure, but they don't have Calm Mind on the set. You kinda defeated your point by yourself. As they already have spend Z-Move on something, Specs is more suitable. Rest PDon is easy to take advantage of I agree, but that doesn't mean PDon with Rest doesn't exist. I see your FairyCeus and PsySpam point, but why is Xerneas MU bad? You have SpD PDon with Rest that can deal with it.
SpD PDon isn’t a reliable check to Xern as a +2 Focus Blast 2HKO’s it anyway.
POgre is a very threatening wallbreaker and doesn’t require too much support.
And fyi Mega Ray + Primal Ogre make a really neat offensive core.

> It's not a good Z-Move user without Calm Mind.

That’s why, you mentioned CM yourself, and so I didn’t mention it.


And UNecro doesn’t fit the team at all. The NDM + Ray core is incomplete without Xerneas.

And tbh Rest PDon is very situational based I have experience.
Done, thanks for the suggestions.