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I can only think of counter(which only works for genI ) and leech-seed.


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Substitute works well with:

  • Focus Punch
  • Calm Mind/ Bulk Up/ Dragon Dance (or any stat raising move)
  • Encore (to trap a Pokemon into a certain move, like Bulk Up if you're a special attacker or setting up rocks; best used by Prankster Pokemon like Whimsicott or Volbeat)
  • Baton Pass
  • Disable (for Gengar, since it's fast enough)
  • Trick (after you've tricked a set up Pokemon, set up a Substitute as it switches out)
  • Toxic stall (especially Gliscor)
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You could get a ninjask with speed boost. Its moves:
Swords dance substitute double team and baton pass while holding leftovers.
Or you could get a Pokemon with the snow cloak ability and have it hold a brightpowder and have it use hail then substitute.
This way your opponent will have a hard time attacking a dummy.
Hope this helped

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Focus Punch

Although the introduction or power-boosting of Close Combat and Hi Jump Kick in recent years means Focus Punch is not of the same power level that it used to be, but it remains the most powerful fighting type move available, and with a substitute up, is far more reliable.

Notable User:

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Ability: Poison Heal
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 12 hp 252 atk 244 spd
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb/Stone Edge

While Techniloom is more common, Breloom makes a superb subpunch user, as it has a great base attack of 130, gains set up opportunities with Spore and can regenerate its substitutes in two turns with poison heal. It also has a good secondary movepool including Stone Edge, Seed Bomb and Facade. You may also run Leech Seed to make this a subseed set as well, but a more defensive spread is recommended.

Generic Substitute Attackers

There are some Pokemon that possess stats and a movepool to make any Pokemon jealous allowing them to severely injure most things in their path. The problem is however they are slow, have hindering weaknesses and/or do not deal with status well. Substitute remediates this and eases prediction

Notable User:

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Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 hp 252 sp atk 252 spd
-Dragon Pulse
-Fire Blast/Roost
-Focus Blast/Roost

Hydreigon's healthy base 125 sp atk in conjunction with its diverse movepool allow it to be a very effective substitute attacker, and behind a substitute, one finds that its issues with speed and weaknesses to the common fighting and bug are manageable. Dragon Pulse provides STAB, while fire blast and focus blast provide good coverage. Roost provides recovery for creating further substitutes.

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*cough slow cough*