What is a good moveset for Kyurem-White?

Question

Share your best competitive movesets for Kyurem-White on this thread! Movesets for regular Kyurem and Kyurem-Black belong separately and shouldn't be posted here.

Check the submission guidelines before posting! Only competitive movesets with all relevant details (item, nature, exact EVs, ability, moves) and a solid explanation will be accepted.

Kyurem-White Pokédex and learnset for reference.

Answer 1

Gen 9 Natdex Ubers: Speed Control and Zacian Killer

Mr. K (Kyurem-White) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Turboblaze
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 104 Def / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Freeze-Dry
- Fusion Flare
- Ice Beam

This is the White Kyurem set that I use in Gen 9 Natdex Ubers. It's primary job is to act as a Speed control, as it outspeeds nearly everything in the Ubers tier, and has great power as well. It's other job is to outspeed and OHKO Zacian-Crowned with a Tera Fire Fusion Flare. I HATE Zacian-Crowned, and she has ripped apart my team many times, until I made this set. The Scarf is for outspeeding things, that's this set's job. 152 speed EVs let you Outspeed Zacian-C by 1 point. You could use 172 Speed EVs instead if you also want to outspeed Pheromosa. SpA EVs are for Max Damage, and the rest of the EVs are dumped into Defense, because that's lower than Kyurem-W's SpD and HP. Draco Meteor deletes all Dragon types, and Significantly hurts anything it's neutral on. Freeze Dry helps for Water types, and Ice Beam has more Power. Fusion Flare Kills Zacian if you Tera, and hurts a lot of things.

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Offensive Calcs:

252 SpA Tera Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 356-420 (109.5 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Tera Fire Kyurem-White Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Eternatus: 422-500 (100.2 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Tera Fire Kyurem-White Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Zygarde: 748-888 (178 - 211.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Kyurem-White Draco Meteor vs. 200 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 222-262 (51.5 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Kyurem-White Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 210-248 (61.5 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Defensive Calcs:

252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Kyurem-White: 133-157 (34 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Tera Fire Kyurem-White: 132-156 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Eternatus Dynamax Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Kyurem-White: 195-229 (49.8 - 58.5%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

+1 0 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Kyurem-White: 142-168 (36.3 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-White in Rain: 150-177 (38.3 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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Hope I helped. Have fun using this set.

Comments

Why are you using Kyogre in the calcs and not Primal Kyogre? What are the advantages of using this over other Scarfer like Ditto or Yveltal? Not to mention, relying on Tera to OHKO Zacian-C sounds pretty bad especially when facing webs, or if it were to use Tera Fighting

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Most Zacians won't Tera Fighting against something they can OHKO with Behemoth Blade. You just need to avoid having Zacian Tera in the first place. Scarf Ditto is expected, and pretty much the only way this set kills Zacian is by being unexpected. Most Zacians will switch if you send in a ditto, and most won't set up if they see a ditto on your team.

 Scarf Yvetal lacks the power to KO many things, and Heat Wave won't kill Zacian even with Tera.

252 SpA Tera Fire Yveltal Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 276-326 (84.9 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

6.3 % chance basically never happens, and Scarf Yvetal rarely runs 252 SpA.

The calcs are for Scarf Kyogre, because Scarf Kyogre is fast, and can outspeed many non scarfed speed controls. However, this set can deal with Primal Kyogre too:

252 SpA Kyurem-White Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 186-222 (54.5 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-White: 138-163 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Tl,Dr: It's unexpected as a Zacian Killer, unlike ditto, and has more Power than other scarfers like Yvetal. The calcs are for Scarf Kyogre because that's who it fights for speed control.

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If you're sending a Kyurem-W to revenge kill Zacian-C, what makes you think that they won't be wary of it being some scarf nonsense? Any decent player would. Also it doesn't literally matter if Zacian-C switches out. Whatever's coming in would most likely get chunked by Ditto if not sacked outright, and Zacian-C without the Intrepid Sword boost is far more manageable. Moreover, Ditto means they are inclined NOT to set up as Ditto will take advantage of the Swords Dance boost. Scarf Kyurem-W on the other hand doesn't have the same reverse sweeping capabilities. Its slower than Ultra Necrozma, Arceus-Ground at +1, and affected by Sticky Web etc etc that makes it way worse than Scarf Yveltal.

Scarf Yveltal does not even run Heat Wave nor Tera Fire.
+3 252 Atk Dark Aura Yveltal Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 253-298 (77.8 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 Atk Dark Aura Tera Dark Yveltal Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 338-398 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It does this instead, and far more reliably than Kyurem-W due to Sticky Webs (which was last suspected) and Zacian-C is a staple on those kind of teams. Scarf Foul Play is extremely potent and access to Defog makes it the bane of Webs teams.

Regular Kyogre is terrible in this tier. Don't run Scarf. It's D in the viability rankings, by the way. It's not worth using a speed control that absolutely folds into the most used mon in the tier (Primal Groudon), is slower than a lot of threats at +1 Spe and is shaky. Neither Scarf Kyogre nor Kyurem-W are standard Scarfers in this tier. The best options are Ditto and Yveltal and rest of the options are not even close to being as good as the two

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#saber

I don’t mean to be rude by saying this but if this is a bad set then what is a good set for Kyuerem white? Even if it’s outclassed by other Pokemon that still doesn’t change the fact that this is the “what is a good moveset for Kyuerem page” not the “what is a good revenge killer for Ubers page” and this seems like a good set for Kyuerem if you are going to use it in Ubers.

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#Saber

I'm not trying to say that this is the best revenge killer in Ubers. What I'm trying to say is that it is a fairly decent one, and it does its job. Yvetal is a better scarfer most times, but this Kyurem set does what I want it to, and that's the point.

Also webs are not really a problem, as I usually run a reliable defogger with this when I use it. Most of the times I kill Zacians with this are when I predict a switch, or when the other person has already set up.

Scarf Ditto is way better than this set at revenge killing, but like R-The-Great said, this is not a "What is a good revenge killer for Ubers" thread. This set may not be the best revenge killer in the tier, but it is one of the best sets Kyurem-White can run. (Specs on a webs team can work as well.)

If we only made sets for the very best Pokémon in the tier, there wouldn't be much on the threads for lower tier Pokémon. Just because a Pokémon is low tier doesn't mean you aren't allowed to use them, and it can be fun to make sets for Pokémon that don't see as much usage and test them out. Smogon's tiers are based on usage, so if we had good sets for low tier Pokémon, people might start using them, and they might get a little more attention.

That about sums up what I wanted to say. It's nice to see that people are willing to look at sets and consider alternatives instead of just saying: "WHitE KyUrEm iS LOw TiER DoNt UsE iT."

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Guess I'll put my thoughts here:

Is the 104 Defense EVs actually that useful? The Arceus calc you provided doesn't factor in Silk Scarf or Life Orb, though not sure if that matters unless they just SD on you since you don't OHKO Arceus. Also, even without the 104 Defense EVs, Tera Fire Kyurem-White is 3HKOed by Zacian-C's +1 Behemoth Blade, so the 104 Defense EVs doesn't actually do anything there xd. My question is this: If the set is supposed to serve as speed control, why not just go Max Speed? I feel like considering Kyurem-White's speed, it needs max speed for a Choice Scarf to do what it wants to do. Not having max speed kinda hurts its role as a Choice Scarf revenge killer.

I do think this is one of those situations of: "Good set but not good to use in the format you listed the format you listed" There are some tiers Kyurem-White has some viability (Ubers UU and NatDex Ubers UU, being B rank and B- rank in those tiers respectively) Choice Scarf Kyurem-White is a good set, the problem is the format you have the set intended for. You could probably go a more generic explanation route of the set and list a format like Ubers UU to use the set in? (Or make the set intended for something like Ubers UU if you have the meta knowledge on that tier xd)

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#RisingManetric

The Defense EVs are for added bulk, because the speed EVs it has outspeed pretty much all unboosted Pokemon. You could put them into speed, but I don't think they make a significant enough difference in the things you'll outspeed. If you're going against something with +2 speed, it will probably outspeed you even if you go 252 Spe.

The Arceus calc doesn't have an attack boosting item because I used the leftovers Extreme Killer Arceus set in the calc. Silk Scarf is still a 3HKO:

252+ Atk Silk Scarf Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Kyurem-White: 159-187 (40.6 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

and Life Orb is unlikely to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Kyurem-White: 173-204 (44.2 - 52.1%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO

This set would be way better in Ubers UU or Natdex Ubers UU, but I don't have enough experience in those formats, because nobody plays them consistently, and I don't like waiting 30 minutes to get a match on showdown.

Thank you for your comments.