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I wanted to make a team with Sableye and the others just seemed to fit. Please let me know if you have any ideas to improve the team and point out any weaknesses that you notice. Thanks.

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Sableye (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef
Calm Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Taunt
- Night Shade

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Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes
- Volt Switch
- Gyro Ball

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Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Roar

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Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Stealth Rock

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Gliscor (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Taunt

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]

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It was a very good team. If you want a Staller use Gliscor, i would give it this moveset
Hope this helps

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OK let's start!

Before we get too it you have a small water weakness even with Vaporeon helping out. if you want replace Forretress with Ferrothorn and bob's ya uncle. I will suggest a set later.


It's fine. if you want to replace taunt with trick and W.O.W with Torment. Have it hold any choice item then use Trick and follow with Torment. It fails to do any damage every other turn allowing you to recover,and attack soon after. But this is just preference,that set is fine.


As I said before, I suggest replacing Ferre with Ferro. This is Ferro standard set.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk /
Impish Nature
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave

Hope this works out better. Sorry I am being lazy with my typing today I will make the reasons why better later but the suggestions are fine.

The simple yet effective Heatran/Vaporeon/Ground type(Gliscor) core. It is in theory quite hard to beat. Landorus,however, can shut down most of it. Once Vaporeon is out then Hidden power ice and earth power = OHKO's for Jirachi, Gliscor and Heatran. Tornadus can do the same with Focus blast and Hidden power Ice. so..


Vaporeon is one heck of a staller. Surpassing it's cousin Umbreon by getting to OU. Although it can be used without rain, Rain + Hydration + Rest is where it really shines. You can keep it if you want but I prefer this...

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Clear Smog
- Scald
- Earth Power/Ice beam
- Recover
Go Go Gastrodon! This is one set to give it. Clear smog upsets sweepers trying to set up. Scalds high burn rate again annoys the hell out of physical attackers as well as doing slow damage. Earth power is just...there,but Ice beam is preferred to KO grass. Recover is to help stall.


OK Heatran doesn't seem to bad but why give a all out attacker with little defence SR? We have Jirachi for that if we wanted it. If you want to keep it an all out attacker then use that but replace SR with perhaps... flash cannon for powerful stab or maybe Dragon pulse to take out monsters like Garchomp and Dragonite. If you want a defensive Heatran to set up then this will work...

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Will-O-Wisp
- Lava Plume
So W.O.W cut's attack giving it longer life. Lava plume is the main attack. SR like you wanted and Roar to accompany it. As well to get rid of pokemon resisting fire.


I give Gliscor many tasks throughout my use of it. It can physically stall the hell out of things, go all out offensive, or lie somewhere in between. To put it simply, I don't like your set. Try this out...

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 Atk / 184 HP / 72 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Protect

by using Protect on the first turn or whenever you predict an attack, you gain back sizeble HP per turn. this is to heal of any damage you could of taken when setting up S-Dance. StoneQuake is pretty Epic coverage on this guy.

So, this also means you have to worry less about pokemon like Thundurus and Landorus. If they really scare you ScarfSwine( Mamoswine with choice scarf) or MamoBand (Mamoswine with choice band) both make great counters. Replace gliscor with it since they are both Ground types.


Rachi doesn't seem too bad a choice. But you got the set all wrong. I will show you physical Haxrachi!

Jirachi @ Leftovers/choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Spd / 224 Atk
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Protect/Trick

There! The art of Haxrachi! Only use trick if you have choice scarf and kept your set on Sableye.

I'm a but lazy today it seems. Just use theses until some better suggestion comes along OK? Hope I helped at all..

PX ;}

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Good team but,this is my opinion of your team for the moves only(For Me):
-Shadow Ball
-Hone Claws

-Flash Cannon
-Signal Beam
-Rock Polish

-Hydro Pump/Work Up
-Ice Beam

Heatran: (Nothing Changed)

Gliscor:(Nothing Changed)

-Calm Mind
-Hidden Power (Water)      (To kill Fire and Ground-Types)

i hope this is helpful.

No dude. you HAVE to include EV's and nature. And tak into account experience,as well as synergy. work up on vaporeon is a poor choice. Dig is awful. ice beam is fine but still. Also get your grammar sorted (as will I) and that Sableye move set you said is one of the worst I have seen. I didn't need to change in the first place.  Forretress is supposed to be a wall, it doesn't need attacks. It sets out hazards and that's it. Jirachi isn't too bad but Haxrachi is MUCH better. I don't mean to be..mean but you sorts looked like a noob with this. Have at least some experince using movesets before posting them
Have to agree with Prof. X. Plus, you are suggesting physical and special moves on the same Pokemon. That's called a mixed moveset, and it's rarely a good idea. Vaporeon's Special Attack is better, so put special moves on it. And why do you have two water moves on it?
on ferrothorn u would want gyro ball cause of its 20 base speed