Exeggutor vs Victreebel VGC16?

Question

I was thinking of using a Primal Groudon for my new VGC16 team, and wanted a good Chlorophyll pokémon to help him with fast Ground types. I analysed all Chlorophyll pokes, and now I can't decide between Exeggutor and Victreebel.

Comments

Victreebell is sort of a better sweeper thanks to it's better offensive movepool and boosting moves. Growth in the sun lets you run Leaf Blade + Sludge Bomb + Weather Ball confidently.

Answer 1

Victreebel is the better sweeper, as is shown by a single calculation comparison:

252 Atk Life Orb Victreebel Leaf Blade vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primal Kyogre: 190-226 (107.9 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Exeggutor Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Primal Kyogre: 158-188 (89.7 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Despite the fact that Exeggutor has a small chance to OHKO 4/0 Primal Kyogre, Victreebel gets the job done 100% of the time against the most common Kyogre and has the added bonus of having Sludge Bomb for Xerneas, and the ability to boost both offensive stats at once in the Sun with Growth.

+2 0+ SpA Life Orb Victreebel Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 296-351 (146.5 - 173.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I would recommend this for a basic Victreebel set (you might want to replace Life Orb for Focus Sash in case you run into a bulky Kyogre):

Viktor (Victreebel)@ Life Orb
Hasty | Chlorophyll
252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
- Leaf Blade
- Sludge Bomb
- Growth
- Protect

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If you're looking for wacky Chlorophyll users then here's a fun gimmick set. Ever heard of the move After You? It makes the target move right after the user. Normally this is kind of meh, but compare the speed boost of Chlorophyll with Eruption Primal Groudon and suddenly you have a game-shredding monster… but be wary, as this set can easily be disrupted by Fake Out, Wide Guard and Primal Kyogre.

Sample Sets

Madeline (Lilligant)@ Focus Sash
Timid | Chlorophyll
252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- After You
- Leaf Storm / Grass Knot
- Helping Hand / Charm / Quiver Dance
- Protect

Groupon (Groudon)@ Red Orb
Timid/Modest | Desolate Land
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Eruption
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Answer 2

Honestly? Neither is going to do as good as a Serperior for what you need, but if you limit yourself to those two, Exeggutor is a better team player with bulk. Of course, you need to fear fire types. You do know that Primal Groudon evaporates all water moves, though, right?

Comments

Showdown is a useful tool to practice VGC, especially this season where we have no official-format Battle Spot yet. VGC has no Smogon-esque tier system. Kyogre is good, no doubt about that, but Groudon is used more simply because when paired with Mega Kangaskhan and Xerneas, it can burn through teams (no pun intended). Both Primals are monsters but Groudon is slightly better when it comes to individual matchups.

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I am creating a roster program. It will store data and assign binary checks to every situation. I will create the best builds I can for each Pokemon and have each one battle each other one 10,000 times and put data  on a spreadsheet to reveal data on which Pokemon and which sets are the best

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Woah. That's ambitious :0 Good luck!

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Thanks. Been working on it since 07. Used to be able to do it on paper, but as more variables came out, it got too complex. Every Pokemon will ideally receive a 512 bit binary code. A perfect Pokemon will be all 0s. An ideal Pokemon will likely have 400+. It is based on my trading card game formula, The Phoenix Equation.  I'll share my research when i reach my next threshold and have a viable AI

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Whoa, last time I read there were only 3 comments here, now there's a bunch of em, took me a while to read. Anyway, thanks a lot for the help everyone, and best of luck for you and your system Solember!

Answer 3

I think victreebel is better. With chlorophyll he is faster than exeggutor.

Victreebel
evs:252 spe; 252 spa; 4HP

Moves:
Wheather ball
Clear smog/ sludge bomb
Giga drain
Protect

Item: life orb

Hope You enjoy it.