Why was Blaziken ubers in generation seven?

Question

Exactly why was it ubers in gen seven? And I mean the regular one not the mega. It's counters in Tapu FIni, Toxapex and Slowbro all existed in gen seven were very common with Pex in particular is nearly omnipresent, not to mention that ash Greninja was a thing and was literally the best Pokemon in the tier and it doesn't give a crap about speed. So why was it ubers?

Comments

I'm thinking speed boost is a good ability, plus it's good typing

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Also, this is not the same question and it's not an answer, but you can read this if you like. https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/351112/why-is-blaziken-in-ubers-infernape-in-uu-and-emboar-in-ru

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I believe that the answer is covered in that.

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The answer is the same

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No it doesn't, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. That question was a comparison between the three and not how Blaziken was ubers. To be more clear, the exact point is how is Blaziken even ubers when gen seven introduced an unkillable abomination in Toxapex and Blaziken didn't even have the movepool it has now back in gen seven

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clearing flags because the Hunter person is obviously asking for a more detailed answer than the answer in that older question

Answer 1

I think y'all are forgetting something.

+2 252+ Atk Blaziken Gigavolt Havoc (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 96+ Def Slowbro: 486-572 (123.6 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Blaziken Gigavolt Havoc (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex: 438-516 (144 - 169.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Blaziken Gigavolt Havoc (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 16 Def Tapu Fini: 554-652 (161.5 - 190%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So Blaziken can break all of its "counters" using only this one moveset. It has no moveslot syndrome at all.
Blaziken @ Electrium Z
Ability: speed boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant nature
- swords dance
- flare blitz
- high jump kick
- thunder punch
Ash Greninja still checks this, but relying on Ash Greninja means the 77% of teams that don't use Ash Greninja have no fair way to check Blaziken. Even if a Blaziken user is facing one of the 23% of teams that contain an Ash Greninja, it's not too difficult to stop battle bond from activating. Gen 8 also introduced Dragapult and Spectrier and made Moltres a viable Blaziken counter.
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other source: searching "blaziken" in this subforum

Comments

If Blaziken was in ou, I think the bulky waters are gonna go max hp and def but other than that, this makes sense. I guess Blaziken has enough chicken power to brute force its way thru its counters. Thanks

Oh and btw, Dragapult and Spectrier are not good answers to Blaziken because, you know, they die almost instantly to any attack

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+2 252+ Atk Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 258-303 (81.3 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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And Blaziken usually carries life orb, or at least as far as I've noticed, and it straight up kills Dragapult

Answer 2

Because it was deemed too strong for OU.

• A Pokemon needs not be always viable for that tier to be in it. For example, Zamazenta-Crowned is almost never used in AG and Ubers. However, it still is too hard for OU to handle, therefore it got Ubers, even though it is very rarely used.

Exactly why was it ubers in gen seven? And I mean the regular one not the mega. It's counters in Tapu FIni, Toxapex and Slowbro all existed in gen seven were very common with Pex in particular is nearly omnipresent, not to mention that ash Greninja was a thing and was literally the best Pokemon in the tier and it doesn't give a crap about speed.

Everything has it own counters. Regardless, it has some kind of move to beat all those aforementioned counters.

• +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 315-372 (103.6 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 385-455 (97.7 - 115.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
• +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 16 Def Tapu Fini: 385-455 (112.2 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

"Ash-Greninja was literally the best mon". Do you think if it gets +1 or +2 Spe then can Ash Greninja directly switch-in to it?
Now after these calculations, do you still think it shouldn't be Ubers @Demon Hunter?

Comments

I don't. For one, compare Blaziken's movepool in gens seven and eight and you'll know that it's way better now and it dropped to uu. Second, Greninja is never switching in against anything, even resisted hits as its gonna die almost instantly. Third, Blaziken has a horrible moveslot syndrome that severely cripples its ability to rip apart teams and it isn't hard to scout what coverage it is running