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This is the team:

N-388 (Necrozma) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 232 SpA / 12 SpD
Modest Nature
- Autotomize
- Knock Off
- Expanding Force
- Hidden Power [Ice]

D-405 (Darkrai) @ Leftovers
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hypnosis
- Nightmare
- Spacial Rend
- Sludge Bomb

DEUS-1 (Arceus-Ground) @ Earth Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Gravity
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed

O-339 (Orbeetle) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sticky Web
- Trick
- Bug Buzz
- Expanding Force

B-66 (Beedrill-Mega) @ Beedrillite
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fell Stinger
- Knock Off
- Drill Run
- Poison Jab

Z-357 (Zekrom) @ Life Orb
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bolt Strike
- Hone Claws
- Crunch
- Focus Blast

Here's the PokePaste if you want to see it this way: https://pokepast.es/19fea84f29c63c83
Hopefully it has as few flaws as possible!

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For orbeetle, run Timid instead of Hasty
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On beedrill maybe replace drill run with a stronger bug move or brick break, mostly because drill run's slight chance to miss can be very bad due to beedrill having horrible bulk. Otherwise it's a solid team.
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why 8 attack evs on orbeetle with no physical moves
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Necrozma

Regular Necrozma is terrible, outclassed by Mewtwo and of course, Dusk Mane Necrozma.

Necrozma-DM @ Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature (+Def -SpA)

  • Sunsteel Strike
  • Morning Sun
  • Stealth Rock
  • Toxic / Knock Off

Darkrai

It's just bad. Way too inconsistent. Yveltal is a much better Dark type and is the best Dynamaxer in the franchise.

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Modest Nature (+SpA -Atk)

  • Dark Pulse
  • Oblivion Wing
  • Heat Wave
  • Focus Blast

Arceus-Ground

Gravity is a gimmick move that is only good at supporting Darkrai, which is much worse than Yveltal. It's a wasted moveslot. Replace it with Recover or a coverage move

Orbeetle

Don't use Orbeetle in Nat Dex AG if you want to win. It's pretty much useless, there are Pokemon that can do its job better. You can replace it with an offensive Pokemon like Primal Groudon, Xerneas, Zacian-Crowned, or Calyrex-Shadow.

Mega Beedrill

There is absolutely no reason to use Mega Beedrill in Nat Dex AG. It wastes the Mega slot of Rayquaza, a far superior Mega evolution. It's stronger (if holding a boosting item), has a bigger movepool, and much, much bulkier. It can cancel out the weather summoned by Primal Groudon, Tyranitar, Kyogre, and Primal Kyogre.

Rayquaza-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Delta Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature (+Atk -SpA /+Spe -SpA)

  • Dragon Descent
  • Extreme Speed
  • V-create
  • Earthquake / Dragon Dance

Zekrom

The Substitute + Dragon Dance set is usually better.

Zekrom @ Lum Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature (+Spe -SpA)

  • Bolt Strike
  • Outrage
  • Substitute
  • Dragon Dance
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So your removing over half his team. And people might not always want to just win.
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What if it's good advice? If people don't want to 'just win', then they shouldn't post their team on a forum focused on competitive play. If OP wants to use Orbeetle in AG because it's fun, then hopefully they won't be annoyed when the advice they asked for tells them it's not a good idea.
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The purpose of competitive Pokemon is to win. Competitive. Is this word perhaps unfamiliar to you IFG? If a person had a full team of baby pokemon + magikarp would you still be against removing over half of their team?
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Teams of baby's are known to win ubers matches. Don't insult them.
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Not sure if you're trolling but whatever. You can win Ubers (or, as it relates to this thread, AG) games with absolutely anything. That does not mean absolutely anything is a good option for laddering or playing against people who know what they're doing.
There is nothing wrong with using your favourites, but this place is for *competitive* advice. It is not an "insult" to highlight that Orbeetle etc. is unviable in AG (in the sense that it has no use for people who are strictly trying to win).
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I've used a lot of pokemon in nat dex, and a good mindset to keep is that everything has a benefit. Shellos and mudkip have mirror coat and counter, Orbeetle can provide defensive utility in dual screens and speed control with sticky web, drapion can crit hard and often. Any pokemon can be good because you often find yourself needing something that fills a specific niche, like if you need a physical glass cannon you might want a weavile. What I'm saying is, no matter how bad overall a pokemon can be, don't ignore it because of that.
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No Pokemon is ever ignored -- a meta simply settles in which most Pokemon do not have a place in serious matches. In the case of Orbeetle, Shuckle and Galvantula are widely agreed to be superior webs setters, and dual screens is more or less monopolised by Grimmsnarl. It's not as though there aren't reasons for this. (Webs and screens on the same Pokemon is certainly a "niche" but it's not a particularly good one when it's all Orbeetle has going for it.)
Similar stories apply to the likes of Drapion and Weavile. They are outclassed and therefore unviable (e.g. Weavile is not the only fast physical attacker that exists). I don't really know what to tell you if you think Shellos or Mudkip isn't going to be seen through and punished by anyone who knows what they're doing.
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You'll be surprised about the large margin of people who don't actually know what mudkip or shellos's movesets contain. And even if weavile isn't the only fast physical attacker out there, it's the only one with that specific typing and movepool. Kingdra would probably outclass dracovish in every way if it weren't for fishious rend, and even if a pokemon is outclassed in a certain role, it might be able to fulfill multiple roles, which allows it to perform better overall than the pokemon outclassing it. Swoobat is an amazing setup sweeper with access to Simple and double team, as well as baton pass and stored power, which makes swoobat a very good support mon and pretty decent sweeper, and if it doesn't get hit, it doesn't lose health, so in that way it can perform as a tankish thing(Really not sure of the term).
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Maybe I should ask directly: Who are you winning against with these strategies?
It's all well and good if you can win against lower ladder players by playing 'underratedmons', but that does not mean you should come sharing it around like Swoobat is even remotely comparable to the sweepers available in AG (try the likes of Zacian-C or Xerneas). Swoobat does not have a place alongside them just because it has a different typing or ability -- that's not how competitive Pokemon works.
The metagame is progressed by people in the upper ladder (let's say 1700+ Elo) -- if you can show these strategies work in that context, then you can be taken seriously as a competitive player.
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If your wondering who I actually beat, there are a solid amount of people who fold under swoobat, including a team of 6 sinnoh legendaries. And Xerneas and zacian-c are well-known sweepers, so there are lots of counters people have come up with. Though it's harder to counter swoobat, A. because not as many people respect it, b. because it can baton pass into something like offensive clefable, which can from there clean up the battle. And your saying pachirisu can't be a good redirector like amoongus because it has a different typing and ability.
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"there are a solid amount of people who fold under swoobat, including a team of 6 sinnoh legendaries."
I think by solid amount you mean less than 5, or this is just a fabricated lie to prove that "underrated mons are better" even though smogon's tiers are based on usage, so the best and most "overrated" pokemon will be better than the bad picks that you call "underrated". The fact that you say "there are lots of counters" to Zacian-C and Xerneas is absolutely ridiculous. Zacian-C's best "counter" is likely Necrozma-DM, who has low PP recovery and can't take too many hits. Xerneas is "countered" by Necrozma-DM, who usually runs phys. def investment to not fold to Zac-c on the turn after a switch-in to Close Combat. With Stealth Rock and 1 spike layer Necrozma-DM is 2HKOed by Xerneas's resisted Moonblast, and Primal Groudon, another Xerneas "counter" suffers the same fate. And you're really going to use offensive Clefable in AG? You're saying Kingdra would outclass Dracovish? Mudkip and Shellos viable in Nat Dex AG? You're saying the Earthquake-weak Pachirusu is a better redirector than Amoonguss? Offensive Clefable isn't even that good in regular OU,if you're even going to use Clefable for some reason you'd be using Unaware, a niche where it is outclassed by Quagsire. Kingdra is very lacking in offenses and requires a lot of team support to do its thing, Dracovish can just click Band/Scarf Strong Jaw Fishious Rend and steamroll teams which are unprepared, and Dracovish isn't even that viable in Nat Dex AG anyway. Mudkip and  Shellos are ABSOLUTELY not viable in Nat Dex AG, they are extremely frail and are outclassed by Wobbufett as a counter pokemon, which itself is Unranked on the tier list. Pachirisu was only used by Sejun Park as an anti meta pick that wasn't used again because Pachirisu is very frail, and Amoonguss is not.
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