Update of Scarlet and Violet
I'm talking about vgc doubles here by the way, since I have no singles knowledge whatsoever.
Tornadus
Incarnate
- Ability: Prankster is definitely the best ability this thing has, since it also gets tailwind, and defiant can be used too, but not as well. 8/10
- Stats: Pretty good and well balanced, with slightly more offense than therian but less speed. 7/10
- Role: Incarnate is almost always a fast, offensive tailwind setter, but can be used as a defiant sweeper OCCASIONALLY.
Therian
- Ability: Regenerater is a good ability, but definitely outclassed by prankster and in some cases, like the only ever one physical tornadus, by defiant too. 6/10
- Stats: Good and balanced like incarnates, but much less offensive, and more speedy and bulky. 7/10
- Role: Probably good as a bulky support/pivot because of increased bulk and regenorator healing.
Who to chose?
Incarnate is definitly the better option because speed control is so important and being able to definitely set up tailwind first and taunt other tailwind setters before they can set talwind is always useful outside of trick room.
Thundurus
Incarnate
- Ability: Same abilities as torn but doesn't make use of prankster as well since it does not get tailwind. Thunder wave can be annoying though. Defiant can be more useful since it has actually useful physical STABs available in Supercell Slam and Wild Charge, instead of just Fly. 7/10
- Stats: Exactly the same as torn, with much less offense than therian but faster. 7/10
- Role: Probably a disruptive prankster twave user or a defiant sweeper.
Therian
- Ability: Volt Absorb is only useful if you are using discharge in doubles. 3/10
- Stats: Insane special attack, equal bulk to incarnate, and slowness makes up for the damage. 9/10
- Role: Special. Damage.
Who to chose?
Usually therian will now be stronger since incarnate can disrupt, but therian can deal more damage than FREAKIN' FLUTTER MANE (without proto special attack) and can heal when paired with a discharge 'mon.
Landorus
Incarnate
- Ability: Never use sand force outside of sandstorm. And even in it, sheer force is probably better when paired with life orb. 8/10
- Stats: Highest total of the lot, with the best bulk of all the original three including torn-therian, equal offenses to all the incarnates and still enough time for the same speed as thund-therian. 9/10
- Role: Usually a sheer force + life orb special attacker with earth power and sludge bomb.
Therian
- Ability: Intimidate outclasses every other ability I will talk about. 10/10
- Stats: Equal bulk, slightly slower and weaker specially, but deals SO MUCH DAMAGE!!! 9/10
- Role: This is a physical sweeper. It can be a tank as well.
Who to chose?
Depends on what you need. Incarnate can function as a special sheer force sweeper, but therian is physical tank who outputs so much damage its insane.
I've added Enamorus since it is a member of the set and deserves to be on here.
Enamorus
Incarnate
- Ability: Cute Charm is OK against physical male mons like most incineroar and rillaboom. Contrary is far better though because it can be paired with prankster thuunderus-incarnate to use eerie impulse on it to double its special attack. 8/10
- Stats: Highest offensive stat of any of the four in incarnate, but the one thats the most focused on one stat. Slightly less bulky than torn/thun because of HP being 4 points lower. Also slower than the rest. 7/10
- Role: Speedy special sweeper
Therian
- Ability: Its immune to sandstorm. Thats all filter will ever do for enamorus since hail was swapped for snow. 5/10
- Stats: By far the most bulky, but also the slowest and weakest offensively out of the therian forms. 6/10
- Role: Bulky trick room sweeper
Who to chose?
Enamorus is probably the worst out of the lot, since it is slower and weaker offensivly than all the therians. For trick room, therian is obvious, but in open play use incarnate since it is still pretty fast despite being the slowest incarnate.
Good movesets for first ability incarnate forms:
Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tailwind
- Taunt
- Bleakwind Storm
- Protect
Thundurus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Eerie Impulse
- Thunder Wave
- Wildbolt Storm
- Protect
Landorus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Sand Force
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
- Protect
Enamorus @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Cute Charm
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Good movesets for HA incarnate forms
Tornadus @ Focus Sash
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Knock Off
- U-turn
- Protect
Thundurus @ Focus Sash
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wild Charge
- Knock Off
- Acrobatics
- Protect
Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
- U-turn
- Protect
Enamorus @ Choice Specs
Ability: Contrary
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Weather Ball
- Protect
Good movesets for therian forms
Tornadus-Therian @ Focus Sash
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 152 HP / 76 Def / 24 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Agility
- Substitute
- Bleakwind Storm
- Protect
Thundurus-Therian @ Focus Sash
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wildbolt Storm
- Electroweb
- Dark Pulse
- Protect
Landorus-Therian @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
- Protect
Enamorus-Therian @ Choice Specs
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Weather Ball
- Protect
