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Gastrodon has better stats, usable sp.atk (92) and access to Recover, Scald, and Earth Power. Then again, OU is kinda physically biased so maybe people just chose Quagsire because better physical movepool and stats

Also Unaware cough cough

I use Gastrodon in UU and almost never see it, what tier is technically in? I find it to be a great switch-in on Vaporeon and gets a quick sp.atk boost because Storm Drain is fun.

All in all, I've always had better luck with Gastrodon in a bunch of situations but Quagsire seems to be used more.

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Also I didn't even talk about S/M's Tapus (which it completely walls except for Tapu Bulk) it just seems so much better than what it got
Your information is outdated. Both are untiered at this point (meaning they're worse than RU). Besides, what's wrong with unaware?
Is it because Gastrodon is rarely used and Quagsire is "over used"? :3
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First of all, according to this page of PS! OU Usage for February 2017,

| 88 | Gastrodon | 1.59471% | 34007 | 1.595% | 25991 | 1.642% |

and

| 131 | Quagsire | 0.95231% | 20308 | 0.952% | 15047 | 0.950% |

so, Gastrodon is used more in OU than Quagsire.

Further, Smogon lists Gastrodon in NU, whereas Quagsire is stuck in PU. PU ranks lower, so once again, I fail to see how your claim that more people use Quagsire over Gastrodon is legit. Of course, I'm not denying that you probably encountered more of the Sausage Tailed Sire than the Slug, but statistically, it is not so. Further, both Pokemon have taken a hit this generation in usage due to the ultra-powerful new entrances, be it the Mega Pokemon or the Ultra Beasts. From what I'e noticed, defensive and stall teams are on the decline, meaning they are just not bulky enough to take a LO Lele's Terrain boosted Psychic, or withstand the all too powerful Z moves that can quickly crumble defensive Pokemon.

That said, this is strictly in the upper tiers. As for the lower tiers where most of the older Pokemon stand, things might be a little different. Now, JarJar is perfectly correct when he said that Unaware is invaluable. Compared to Storm Drain, in more defensive teams, Unaware stands out as the better ability, wasting all of the opponent's stat boosts.

Further, since both of them carry Recover, it is not easy to choose one over the other. Also, their spreads are different, but very slightly so. As you yourself pointed out, Quagsire is Physical based, whereas Gastrodon is more of the Special variant. Most boosting moves are physical (SD or DD or even Bulk Up or Curse) meaning you see Quiver Dance less, so a defensive Unaware makes perfect sense rahter than a Specially Defensive non-Unaware variant.

tl;dr : There are some reasons why Quag > 'Don but to be honest, the Don is used more anyway.

EDIT: As sumwun pointed out, statistics differ when comparing plays ranking higher than 1800s.

In that scenario:

63   | Quagsire           |  1.83606% | 20308  |  0.952% | 15047  |  0.950% 
118  | Gastrodon          |  0.35285% | 34007  |  1.595% | 25991  |  1.642%

Source

So you're right about its added usage. The reasons for that, remain as mentioned already before edit.

Further, proper tiers are yet to be defined for all Pokemon, which might take some more time to get sorted, mainly because most of these are not available in the main Gen 7 Games. Thus, Gastrodon and Quagsire are classified as "New" (Unlisted) Pokemon, as seen in the PS! Teambuilder.

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Nope,  but it's had good usage in OU.
It actually was, but for very short (maybe about a month). I think it was because something called "ABR stall", which involved Quagsire and Amoongus, became a fad.
Quagsire is not a fad, it's been popular on stall teams for a very long time.
Sure, 1.8% may count as popular, but I remember once its usage went to at least 4%.
Quagsire is excellent on stall but meh everywhere else. So Quagsire's viability directly correlates with Stall's, and Stall used to be much more viable with the use of teams such as the aforementioned ABR stall and DuggStall. Both of which are far less prominent now. That's why it used to be used  a lot more @ anyone who's interested or confused.
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Unaware is invaluable for stall teams. Stops set-up sweepers which threaten stall. I'm not sure how Quagsire actually fares with Pyukumuku around, but it gives a little insight into why you might see more Quagsires than Gastrodons around.

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Can you elaborate?