Which one to complete my Fire-Water-Grass core in National Dex?

Question

Breloom@Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Technician
-Mach Punch
-Bullet Seed
-Spore
-Rock Tomb

Pros:
-Can put opponents to sleep
-Most of the Pokémon that outspeed it can be dealt with by Mach Punch, and slower Pokémon are put to sleep
-Bullet Seed negates sashes, substitutes, and sturdy
-Very strong
-In NatDex AG, it is possible the best check to Spore-Baton Pass smeargle and Extreme Evoboost Eevee
Cons:
-Bad defensive typing
- Breloom isn't exactly very bulky
- Awkward speed tier

Ferrothorn@Rocky Helmet
EV spread: 252 HP, 128 Def, 128 SpD
Nature: Careful
Ability: Iron Barbs
-Leech Seed
-Toxic
-Stealth Rock
-Spikes

Pros:
-Amazing defensive typing
-Huge bulk that lets it occasionally survive Fire-type attacks
-Severely punishes physical attackers
-Good staller with Toxic and Leech Seed
-Spikes and Stealth Rock helps my wallbreakers, especially Ash-Greninja
Cons:
-It is still very weak to Fire type moves
-Lacks the sleep move or offensive presence that Breloom possesses
-Slow as hell (no Trick Room since my team uses mostly fast sweepers)
-Taunt bait

Here are the other two Pokemon that complete the FWG core

Greninja-Ash@ Life Orb
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Focus Blast
- Air Slash

Comments

Is this suppose to be in RMT?

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Don't think so

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I'd say, Greninga, you mentioned that your team is going to be full Speedy sweepers, Greninga would be good, also having Ice Beam for good coverage as well, Dark Pulse for Flinching, but what is the rest of your team?

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Greninja and Charizard are already a part of my team. I need to know which grass type I should add

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Get Pelipper and Ludicolo. Helps Ferro too. Put Knock Off on it instead of something lol



Watch the ragequits.



Also this goes in RMT.

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252+ SpA Xatu Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 324-384 (92.3 - 109.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO (But I was at 88% of my health)
With Rain
252+ SpA Xatu Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn in Rain: 160-192 (45.5 - 54.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
But only for two turns
+Occa Berry
252+ SpA Xatu Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 4 SpD Occa Berry Ferrothorn in Rain: 80-96 (22.7 - 27.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Now you can live for around 3 turns Ferrothorn

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An Occa Berry really isn't super viable when Leftovers and Rocky Helmets exist :P

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True, Rocky Helmet and iron Barbs would deal quite a lot of damage.

Answer 1

Ferrothorn is almost certainly better than Breloom. If you replace toxic or stealth rock with knock off or gyro ball, then it stops being taunt bait, and its offensive presence is enough to threaten some common Pokemon, like Clefable, Latios, Greninja, Tapu Fini, Magearna, and Corviknight.
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If you're really sure you want an offensive grass, then you should use Kartana, not Breloom. Kartana's physical attack is so much stronger than Breloom's that Kartana's unboosted attacks usually do more damage than Breloom's technician-boosted attacks. Kartana doesn't need priority because it outspeeds most things. Breloom's bullet seed isn't very useful because the most common sturdy user (Skarmory) and the most common substitute user (Dragapult) both resist grass. The most common fire Pokemon in this metagame is Heatran, which isn't weak to rock tomb.

252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 186-222 (48.1 - 57.5%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Kartana Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 238-282 (61.6 - 73%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Comments

thank you as well

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You're welcome I guess.

Answer 2

Breloom would be my choice , three of Breloom's moves that you are most probably going to use are boosted due to Technician, it covers its Fire type weakness with Rock Tomb, the Spore set up is really good, Mach Punch being a STAB boosted by Technician is very good, but then your team has a Major Fairy weakness, so I know Ferrothorn is supposely defensive but one of its moves should be changed(maybe Spikes) in case a Steel/Flying comes in, while your team needs cover, Gyro Ball would not be much used if Ferrothon is burned.
But is you have a Pokemon that can set up Rain when switch in Ferrothorn might be the better if the two
I've hoped I've helped!

Comments

thank you :)

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Y helped me a little, she mentioned about Pelipper