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I want a flying type that can learn Defog and Fly, but I don't know which of these two to choose. If you think I can replace either with another please tell me. This is for Platinum.


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Fly is a physical move and since Togekiss is not really good with attack I don't think Fly would be good for it (unless your using that just to travel) so Fly would suit Crobat better because his attack is a little above average.As for defog,you will only need that twice in the game so it is ok to teach either one.

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Thanks, after I finish using defog I take it off their attacks.
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Please, just stop. Crobat is one of the best Flying type Pokemon ever, not to mention it can keep up with Deoxys's Speed Form with a good Nature. Crobat DOES NOT need to be a HM slave. He is a powerhouse, with extremely high attack and speed. Crobat is not one to be messed with, and a simple Poison Physical attack will take a Togekiss out of the sky with no problem. Case closed, for now.

Actually, Prowlered. Togekiss can beat the living daylights out of Crobat, in my opinion. I have used both Crobat and Togekiss in Pokemon Platinum and Pokemon Soul Silver.
First of all, I admit that Crobat has extremely high speed and decent attack and special attack. Crobat deserves the praise, and is one of the best special sweepers I have had in the game. BUT Togekiss has PARAFLINCH, the best moveset EVER possible for Togekiss. (Paralyze+Flinch) With Serene Grace and this moveset(Thunder Wave, Air Slash, Extrasensory, Aura Sphere), Togekiss can sweep nearly a whole team if used well. Now Crobat would NOT one K.O Togekiss with one Poison Physical(Togekiss has decent defense and HP), and after Crobat hits Togekiss, Togekiss would hit Crobat with Thunder Wave, making him PARALYZED and cutting down 75% OF HIS SPEED, basically defeating the WHOLE PURPOSE of having a Crobat. Then use Air Slash again and again, having a 60% FLINCH RATE with Serene Grace. Basically, Togekiss now always goes first and with the paralysis and flinch, Crobat can't even move. Against a Paraflincher, Crobat is a pile of trash.
Okay, first off, please don't use caps that much. Secondly,

252 Atk Choice Band Crobat Cross Poison vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 278-330 (74.5 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

8 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Crobat: 114-135 (36.6 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

There's always a chance for Crobat to break out of Paralysis and avoid the flinch (40% is still a decent margin), so the bat can usually handle the fairy with a bit of support.

Third, please do not comment on such old subjects. It doesn't really serve a purpose and clogs up the Recent Activity. Just some advice :)
xD apologies for the caps. And yeah I didn't bother to look at the date of the topics
Yeah I'm talking about in-game, in Gen IV(look above, he said Pokemon Platinum, and in Gen IV Togekiss is a Normal and Flying Type). This means that Choice Bands and IVs would not be used in-game. He was clearly in-game as he was looking for a flying type and flying types are obtained quite early in the game.
And good point about the breaking out of paralysis. But wouldn't Togekiss with Leftovers recover itself quite a quantity with the length of paralysis and the paralysis and flinch combo is epic. If Crobat broke out of paralysis, Togekiss would probably have restored most of its health with Leftovers of with another item. But in my opinion, Togekiss is awesome in-game and post-game, but against real life trainers, Crobat and Togekiss are nearly the same :) Nice calculations by the way
Thanks :) I used a damage calculator.

I was aware that this is in-game, but I thought that your comment was about Crobat vs. Togekiss competitively, since you were pitting them against each other via battle. My bad.
Well still, in-game Crobat and Togekiss would come across each other and with my Togekiss, I have easily defeated the Crobat, but I guess that since that was a trainer, and the other competitively built Crobat used my real life trainers would be different.
Crobat, blablabla, how about steel types hmm? Can't  do much to them. Other than Hidden power, there's nothing supereffective against Steel types that Crobat can learn. Its two stab types dont work well for steel.