Petition for new DB League.

Question

I'll say what everyone wants to say. The current League sucks. I will make this very simple.

The league is not in a good state. Ever since DT ran it, we have had

• Poor management.
• Too many complaints.
• No control.
• Too much revision. Once rules are set, they are set. We could have week periods every so often to suggest revisions.
• Insanely stupid rules.

To fix this, I have taken it upon myself to try and make it funner. I have a few systems in mind. I'd like to run it, because I mostly ran the first one and it was so far the most successful.

In these we would use Gen 6.

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Circles

8 different metagames. The E4 has 4 different metagames. Champion is any.

Start at Circle 1. These are less veteran battlers. Defeat 4, go to Circle 2 of more experienced battlers. Defeat 4, go to the E4. Defeat all 4 in a row, move to the champion. Lose to the champion, face the champion tomorrow.

Rules for challengers:
All battles are two of three.
If you lose, you may ask for a rematch, but the leader can decline for the day.
You must defeat 4 people before moving to the next circle.
Standard clauses are in effect. Learn them before you challenge.
If you lose to the E4, you have to beat the others again.

Rules for Leaders / E4 / Champion:
No declining challengers because you are "tired".
If you beat a challenger, you can decline further challenges from them for that day.
You may ban certain things. The only things you may ban are
- Hazards.
- Xtremekiller.
- Weather.
- Serene Grace.
- Smashpassing.

Rules for everyone:
If you think you lost unfairly, too bad.

Circle One - 4 People. You may challenge in any order,
Circle Two - 4 People.
Circle E4 - The E4.
The Champion.

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Game System

- We go by type. 8 gyms, 8 types. E4 can pick whatever type as long as all E4 are different. Champion is mixed.
- Gym 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. All gyms use a unique type.
- E4 1, 2, 3, 4. They all use a unique type, you may see a type used in the Gyms.
- Champion. Mixed types.
- You must go in order. At the E4 / Champion, if you lose you go back to E4 1.
- Because you could easily make a counter(like making a team of fairies for the dragon gym), you use one team throughout.

Rules for challengers:
All battles are two of three.
If you lose, you may ask for a rematch, but the leader can decline for the day.
Standard clauses are in effect. Learn them before you challenge.
You challenge in order.
If you lose to a member of the E4 or Champion, you go back to E4 1.

Rules for Leaders / E4 / Champion:
No declining challengers because you are "tired".
If you beat a challenger, you can decline further challenges from them for that day.
You may ban certain things. The only things you may ban are
- Hazards.
- Xtremekiller.
- Weather.
- Serene Grace.
- Smashpassing.

Rules for everyone:
If you think you lost unfairly, too bad.
One team for the whole league.

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Circle / Games:

- We go by type. 8 gyms, 8 types. E4 can pick whatever type as long as all E4 are different. Champion is mixed.
- Gym 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. All gyms use a unique type.
- E4 1, 2, 3, 4. They all use a unique type, you may see a type used in the Gyms.
- Champion. Mixed types.
- Because you could easily make a counter(like making a team of fairies for the dragon gym), you use one team throughout.

Start at Circle 1. These are less veteran battlers. Defeat 4, go to Circle 2 of more experienced battlers. Defeat 4, go to the E4. Defeat all 4 in a row, move to the champion. Lose to the champion, face the champion tomorrow.

Rules for challengers:
All battles are two of three.
If you lose, you may ask for a rematch, but the leader can decline for the day.
You must defeat 4 people before moving to the next circle.
Standard clauses are in effect. Learn them before you challenge.
If you lose to the E4, you have to beat the other E4 again.

Rules for Leaders / E4 / Champion:
No declining new challengers because you are "tired".
If you beat a challenger, you can decline further challenges from them for that day.
You may ban certain things. The only things you may ban are
- Hazards.
- Xtremekiller.
- Weather.
- Serene Grace.
- Smashpassing.

Rules for everyone:
If you think you lost unfairly, too bad.
One team for the whole league.

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I'm going to leave answers. Upvote what we should do. Do not answer this page, if you want, leave a comment.

Comments

I say we at least give it a month after we actually start the current one.
Its not started yet due to gen 6. As stated numerous times it will begin once everyone is happy with gen 6 and the tiers are steady which could be a couple of months.

You say "I'll say what everyone wants to say. The current League sucks" yet I know full well people like the system, hence why we adopted it. You then go on to complain about rules that are yet to exist and how stupid they are (rules would be Incorporated once league is ready). Complaints? Not heard any yet. I'm sure many disagree with how it is being run but then again we haven't even given it a chance yet.

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Oh yeah, you can't vote either.

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Oh yeah I forgot I am not a part of this community. Sorry for having an opinion.

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I like none of these options.
I do not think restarting this thing would do us any good, especially if it would include allowing Gym Leaders to completely change the metagames they have. I do however think the current system could be improved by having people battle Gym Leaders in whatever order they want.

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Honestly I am fine with the circles system apart from the rules. In fact its funny how you complain about m rules then allow leaders to ban major elements to the metagame because you can't sweep as easy if Volca has a 4x weakness. Don't allow people to ban anything that isn't already banned. They are not banned in normal tiers for a reason.

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I was talking on PS, Once said everyone agreed it sucks.

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I have no care for criticism or negativity, just for what people vote.

Blob, you had basically one rule. No actual battling, if the challenger gets lucky they lose. As Enoch and others have said, if you can't get recover from it you have a bad team. I haven't even looked at the new league, just been listening to people talking about it.

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But my criticism is preventing me from having something I would vote for. :'(

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Yeah but that's not a rule?  There isn't one rules yet as the league isn't finished. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. What annoys me is that you make the "rule" sound worse than it is. Challengers can challenge a leader as many times as they want. The league is about beating players with skill, not luck. Hax is fine sure, but when its game winning no. No skill required. The league is not meant to be a breeze.

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why can't Blob vote?

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Because he controls the current league. The president can't vote for himself in the next election, can he?

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But dealing correctly with hax is a part of skill. Why should I be punished because the Gym Leader sucks at battling in a game about probabilities and percentages?

And the president can vote for himself (well, not our current President, due to our two term system and the fact that Obama won't be up next election. But this isn't a two term system now is it? Or running for President for that matter.)

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oh oops, I didnt know he ran it, still think he should be allowee vote though:/

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Some hax is not possible to deal with and everybody knows it. I lost a game a couple of months back. I send in my Latias on my opponents scarf terrakion. He crits me then kills me with CC. I then send in Defensive poli who again is crit. At this point I have a Skarm left while my opponent still has a Rotom-W. Can I come back from that?

Hax is one thing but when it wins you the game like the above its just not dealable with.

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You lost the game because you built a team that could be lose to a crit from Terrakion. Your own fault. Had you used different Pokemon on your team that would have survived the crit, or maybe something that can KO Scarfkion like say a Scizor, you wouldn't have been in that mess. You should remember that the chance of there being a critical hit in a game is incredibly high, so high that I could more call it hax that I don't get a crit. You have to work around it not only in the teambuilding process, but also while battling (three Pokemon left, are you certain you could not have played better and made it so you had more Pokemon remaining?)

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The president can, but it has only happened once and we aren't sure he voted for himself. He can, but it's wrong.

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this isnt government though :I I dont think anybody'd care if Blob voted

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I'm sorry but that is a pretty stupid argument. You seem to be blaming me for not building a team that can't be swept by a Terrakion that has an incredibly low chance to crit me multiple times.

I shouldn't have to take that into consideration when building my team nor should anybody be rewarded for being in such a crappy position in the first place. If anything I am being punished for being in the good position. I'm sorry but I don't see why you argue this point.

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trachy is completely right.

Miss that would-ko Hydro Pump with Keldeo? Your choice to pick power over accuracy. Same goes the other way.

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Ninja, please stop making stuff up. Support your statements with fact rather than nothing.

And low probability? That's utter nonsense. The chance of a crit occurring multiple times during a battle is incredibly high, as I so stated in my comment. And I'm not just blaming you for teambuilding. I'm also blaming you for not making correct plays when you battled. What a great position you were in, where something that is very likely to happen from a probability standpoint can cause you to lose.

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The presidency stuff is quite valid. No president has done it before, I was taught it was illegal when I took Government a few years back. So I just looked at an article on USAToday, and apparently you can. Although we don't even know if he voted himself.

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How can you trust anything from that gov class if they taught that it was illegal to vote for yourself? There has never been such a law preventing the President from voting for theirselves, and I remember watching Obama and Bush vote in their own elections (and it is highly unlikely that they voted for their opponent when there is no law or moral responsibility to not vote for themselves).

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I know im not as high ranking or as knowledgeable as Blob or Ninja or Trachy my im still pretty smart and I gotta get my opinion on this :P.

As for changing the rules and such, it's completely and utterly pointless in every way. Drama is being created cos we wanna change something that so far has absolutely nothing wrong with it so far? We haven't started it yet, so causing arguments around changing something that hasn't started is one word. Silly. Just, silly. You may see it broken Ninja, but 98% of people dont. And unless your are the British public voting for your new PM then 98% is unlikely to be wrong. Dont get me wrong im not trying to disrespect you, I have only the utmost respect for you. But silly, un-purposeful descions may make other people feel differently, and I dont want that.

Blob, Pokemon isn't a game of skill. It's a game of skill AND luck. This is pretty much the point of the game and always has been. Just as much as you should prepare to fight skillful players, you should expect a bit of bad luck, and you need to see what you can do about it. While not all hax s 'fair' as such, you must realise for if someone Haxes you pretty soon their gonna get haxed too. The very best players are called the very best because they can take everything into account. They prepare and strategize against everything, and this makes them better than the others. If you cant do this, then it's a lack of skill not finesse, not cos bad luck. Cos that sounds more like whining tbh. Everyone loses, you're an E4 cos not only can you take that, but because you're one of the best. If you dont think preparing for hax is relevant, than the simple matter is, your aren't gonna win as much as people who do.

Btw can prime ministers vote for themselves? I dont think so but ik not sure...

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Enoch found it garbage, Mr. K said he didn't like it, I for one think circles is the best way to go.

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That's fair enough, I was js

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@ Blob, trachy, and Ninja

You guys are being kind of ridiculous. Have you SEEN the comments you posted? Using Hydro Pump instead of Surf or arguing about the probability of crits isn't going to get us anywhere. As PX said, those without as much authority as you guys are allowed to have opinions, so I'm gonna throw in my two cents.

First of all, the league is fine as it is, in my opinion. I'm not saying Once was in the wrong, but he really shouldn't say that "everyone" thinks the league sucks, and neither should Ninja. It seems to me that plenty of users, like PX, myself, and tazzie(who doesn't really have authority but should have their vote counted..) think it's fine.
You say it has too many changing rules, yet you are suggesting we rip up the whole thing, which will just cause drama.
Also, Ninja, constantly mentioning that DT is the one running the league while complaining that it sucks is definitely coming across as blaming DT for all this.

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I don't like it and I am everyone. :P

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My apologies. These are the opinions I hold, and I make no apologies about having them, but I do apologize for stating them. I've been in the worst possible mood for the past three days. Blob, I respect you very much as a battler. Ninja, I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about the voting thing, but I'm sorry if I came across as rude.

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I'm sorry this got out of control. I went inactive due to my anger, but it doesn't seem resolved. But many have complained about the current league. This was to stop it.

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ok guys.  I didn't mean to make everyone feel bad. Admittedly, I've been in a pretty bad mood too, which is why I've been kind of inactive on the site.
You still hold a valid point, Ninja. Plenty of people see problems with the current league, I'm just not one of them.

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I feel that an actual person in the league needs to share their insight...

1. The League has little wrong with it. And no matter what your argument is, you know this is the most rational statement. However, there is a whole lot of wrong stuff that prevents the league from being successful.
***We are too biased when picking gym leaders*** (main point of this comment). Sure, the league is meant to be challenging, but when you pick top tier battlers (Mewderator), and then expect average battlers (say, someone who's been battling for 2 months) to somehow defeat them, that's absurdly wrong. Also, if we are not rid of the bias, then we face another problem. There is way too many league staff and not enough challengers. Sure, the league staff can challenge the league, but do you really think they'd get out of their comfort zone to do it? In the game, the purpose is to be the "strongest" trainer after you beat the league. However, in this situation,  the staff dont really have a necessity to be recognized as "the strongest" because they are already staff. The biased way they were picked shows to the average challenger that he's crap compared to them, and that they'll take years to surpass the league (metaphorically speaking).

2. Tiers. To be honest, this is the absolute reason why this league isn't getting challenged, and this brings in the bias factor as well. Lets say Kyron is the OU Monotype GL in the league, and im some average challenger. You all surely know by now that Kyron is absolutely one of the best on this site, only rivaled by Mew and Enoch in Monotype. Yet, when it comes time for Lenub to go fight him for the badge, we forget the fact that i dont have the intellect of OU monotype that Kyron has, nor do i know have experience. So i fight him, get 5-0'd, and decide to give up there because i absolutely have no chance against him. And maybe you could say " Well, get someone to tutor you to get better". Thing is, tutor program is dead as well. So this leaves new challengers who arent as skilled as our staff to feel all on their own against such powerful battlers, hence why they decide never to battle the league again

3. Inactivity. Seriously, half of our staff have busy schedules, and the other half never even get on. And basically every user on the DB has either a job or has school, which absorbs a good 8-10 hours of the day in which we could use. For example: Ben is a really busy guy, but inactive, due to his studies and and football activities. On the other hand, Flare is hardly around anymore, and that's probably for his own good and personal reasons. But we have no replacements for them because our "good" battlers are limited, and we dont want some low scrubs from the ladder, like Lenub #2. So we keep them there and hope they'll come back.This again, is another statement that we must bring into consideration that we should...
-Lower the amount of gl staff
-stop being so biased when it comes to making a league.
-stop starting a league when everyone isnt even around

So in conclusion, we just really need to fix up these points and we ought to be good to go. (And drop the hax issue all in all)

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Everything LB said I agree with.

Point 2: I didn't look at it that way before, but my god is he right. However, the only way I see to fix this is the Games system, which people aren't favoring. I know Amethyst uses this, and it goes well.

Also Blob, you are a little outnumbered in this "hax" issue.

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Er I apologize if I seemed out of turn. Im going through some pretty rough relationship stuff. So im pretty down and out. I meant no disrespect to anyone :P.

Well, the league should go on as it is, and then if problems arrive we change it. Changing it before we even get real experience feedback is still a bit silly, but post feedback should be fair nuff. Agreed?

Answer 1

Leave it as is.

Comments

i leik this one

Answer 2

Yes new league, Circle system.

Comments

This one. Also, if we make it Gen 6, the league would HAVE to be put off until tiers are in place and everyone adapts to the metagame (to avoid sucky GLs [liek meself qq]).

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I liek this one.

Answer 3

Just hide everything with the league.

Answer 4

Yes new league, Games System.

Answer 5

Yes new league, Games / Circle System.