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Things to consider:

No, they are not legendary

  • Both are too weak to be legendary Pokémon.
  • There is no legitimate in-game indication stating that they are legendary.

Yes, they are legendary

  • Type: Null was a scientific attempt at recreating a legendary Pokémon, in this case, Arceus. Silvally, like Arceus, has an equal stat distribution and an ability that allows it to change its type depending on the item it holds. This could be a valid argument because Mewtwo, another legendary Pokémon was an attempt at recreating Mew.
  • They are in the Undiscovered egg group, meaning they cannot breed with Ditto. This is also the case for legendary and mythical Pokémon.
  • When looking at the Pokédex, certain Pokémon have different backgrounds. Ordinary Pokémon have blue backgrounds and legendary Pokémon such as Solgaleo and Zygarde have golden/yellow backgrounds. However, the four guardian deities - the Tapus - have green backgrounds, which is a trait they share with Type: Null and Silvally.
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Just because it's weak doesn't mean it's not a legendary.
That may be true, but it's an argument that I have heard people use before so I thought I would mention it.

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They could be legendary, because.....

  • They are genderless, just like most of the legendaries.
  • Their egg group is Undiscoverd, just like the legendaries.
  • Their base power is as high as the Tapu's and the Ultra Beasts, all from which are considered legendary.
  • They are unique in the game, which means you can only get one.
  • They have their own signature move and ability.
  • They more or less have the same story as Mewtwo, where Mew was its prototype and Arceus is now his prototype.
  • The GTS removes them if you want to exclude legendaries and mythicals.
  • His evolution is barely an evolution. The only thing that changes is its heavy helmet and therefore its speed (and of course the ability).

But I still do think they are not, because.....

  • They are evolutions from each other. Although this is the same case with Solgaleo and Lunala, do note that these are the signature Pokemon of the game and the pre-evolutions Cosmog and Cosmoem are considered legendary. Also, Solgaleo and Lunala are Ultra Beasts which means they come from another world. A world where legendaries might be able to evolve. Type:Null and Silvally are not native to Pokéearth.
  • Their Pokédex location is next to two non-legendary Pokemon being Pyukumuku and Minior.
  • The Serebii page of legendary Pokemon in the Alola Region does not include them nor does the Bulbapedia, Pokemondb and Smogon pages.
  • In the game itself, there is no such reference of Type:Null and Silvally being legendary.
  • Although they are based on a legendary Pokemon just like Mewtwo, do note that Mewtwo's base stats give no doubt of it being legendary and Silvally's does.
  • Despite its evolution not being a really 'evolution', Kadabras evolution Alakazam only changes a spoon and the base stats of the evolution of Scyther is Scizor with no BST change. Also, Porygon2s evolution PorygonZ only gets a 20 BST boost.
  • A character in the game (Gladion) uses it. Although it's the same case as N's Zekrom/Reshiram, do note that (again) Zekrom and Reshiram are signature Pokemon and their BST is what gives no doubt of them being legendary.
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The thing with Smogon, Serebii, Bulbapedia and PokemonDB is that they're not official sources, so they don't really count. It is true that nothing really indicates that Type: Null or Silvally are legendary other than the green Pokédex background they share with the Tapus, which are considered legendary. This is why I'm so undecided and conflicted on this topic.
Other than that, you did bring up some good points.
Basically solgaleo and lunala don't count as legendaries in UB wold. Other beasts are just like klefki, a normal pokemon/beast without evolutions. And note that solgaleo, lunala and cosmog can be caught in normal pokeballs.
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no they aren't legends. for one thing there are multiple of Type: Null. if you read the library in the lab area of the Aether Foundation, you will find out that the previous Aether President was trying to create a Pokemon that could oppose the Ultra Beasts. when taken out for a test run, they went out of control. they were then fitted with a restraint mask and put in stasis. so no, they aren't legends. they could count as pseudo legends because there are only three and, as far as we know, can't reproduce via opposite gender. We also don't know if they can reproduce via Ditto in Day Care.

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While I appreciate the effort it must taken for you to write this, your points can be disproven quite easily. Don't take this as a personal attack, these are merely my counter-arguments in this debate. Here goes:

1. Type: Null and Silvally are genderless and they are part of the Udiscovered egg group. This is an egg group that only legendaries and 'baby' Pokémon are a part of. (eg. Togepi, Cleffa, etc) No Pokémon in this egg group can breed at all, not even with Ditto.
Source: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Undiscovered_(Egg_Group)

2. Pseudo legendary Pokémon all share a three-stage evolution line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600. While I don't know about the experience amount required for Silvally to reach lvl 100, none of the other requirements are met, so Silvally is not a pseudo legendary. Also, every pseudo legendary can breed with a Ditto at least.
Source: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon

-Besides, Kommo-o seems to be the pseudo legendary of this genereation anyway.
Source: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kommo-o_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

3. The fact that there are three known Type: Nulls does not deny their legendary status. Afterall, the player is only given one per game, and the fact that there are ONLY three Type: Nulls in the Pokémon world would make it quite the rarity; only legendaries are this scarce. Now you may be thinking that this cannot be true because more than one exist, but there are canon examples of there being more than one of the same legendary Pokémon.
-In "Pokémon the Movie 2000: The Power of One" there are two Lugias.
-Now in case you don't count the show as canon, there is a notable in-game example as well. Arceus made Dialga, Palkia and Giratina, and is said create new ones in case a trainer catches one of them. Also in HeartGold and SoulSilver, there is a special in-game event where Arceus itself makes a Pokémon egg for the player containing either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina at lvl 1. Therefore it is safe to assume that there are more than one Dialga, Palkia and Giratina out there, who are all legendary Pokémon.
Source: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Creation_trio
 
4. Now don't hold me to this, but somebody once told me that Type: Null and Silvally are classified as legendary Pokémon in the games' code. I admit that this is my weakest argument, because I don't have a source for it.

In conclusion, the more people I talk to, the  more it seems to me that  Type: Null and Silvally are legendaries.
ok, all are valid points. i just dont classify them as legends. the best they can be after reading what you typed are speudo legends. unfortunately in logical terms they are they are just genetic disasters made for a good cause. BUT THEIR POWER IS AMAZING!!! thats because of its similarity to arceus. but they aren't clones of it!!! thats the vest part! it is arceus but it isn't.
Think about it: you could have 10 zygardes and it definitely counts as legendary
also mewtwo and genesect are also made by humans and I have seen some images with multiple mewtwo and a whole movie is about 5 genesect.