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The old question doesn't answer my question. I want to know, max stats and max damage wise (this means primal groudon's max attack for the physical and primal groudon's max special attack for the special), the comparison between-

Special
Flamethrower
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Thunderbolt

Physical
Fire Punch
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Thunder Punch
Stone Edge
Brick Break
Iron Head

Damage calculation for each move would be greatly appreciated.

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Which Pokemon do you want taking these Groudons' attacks?
Just test an Arceus with 0 investment in Def/SpD and a neutral nature.
Honestly, it's a but of a crime to not run Solarbeam on special Groudon; I ran my P-Groudon Special for this reason alone.

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252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus in Harsh Sunshine: 222-262 (50 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 196-232 (44.1 - 52.2%) -- 16.8% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 105-124 (23.6 - 27.9%) -- 87.3% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 99-117 (22.2 - 26.3%) -- 12.6% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 131-155 (29.5 - 34.9%) -- 12.4% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 198-234 (44.5 - 52.7%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 105-124 (23.6 - 27.9%) -- 87.3% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 237-279 (53.3 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Harsh Sunshine: 229-271 (51.5 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 153-181 (34.4 - 40.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 97-115 (21.8 - 25.9%) -- 3% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 102-121 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- 57.6% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Harsh Sunshine: 282-333 (63.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 136-161 (30.6 - 36.2%) -- 55% chance to 3HKO

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Naturally, all physical attacks (except flamethrower and thunderbolt) were stronger than their special alternatives, as Groudon has higher physical attack than special attack. Flamethrower and thunderbolt were stronger than fire punch and thunder punch because they had more base power.

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Thanks! Is it selected or not, if it isn't tell me how to.
I added precipice blades, fire blast, and solar beam because I think they're possibly good moves for Groudon.
mixed [email protected] orb: stone edge, fire blast solar beam, precipice blades
nature: quiet
evs: 252spa, 116spd, 136atk
coverage: 0 not very effective/no effect, 258 normal efficiency, 659 super effective
edit: fixed stats
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Harsh Sunshine: 282-333 (63.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Groudon-Primal Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 136-161 (30.6 - 36.2%) -- 55% chance to 3HKO
136 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 202-238 (45.4 - 53.6%) -- 38.7% chance to 2HKO
136 Atk Groudon-Primal Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 112-132 (25.2 - 29.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
i'd probably work-up pass into mine.