Change wall post points requirement from 30 to 22 in all sections

Question

Our current setup means users must receive an up-vote to post on walls (or ask five questions and select five answers). This is not always simple to achieve, especially on the Meta and RMT sections. Changing the requirement to 22 would mean users can access wall posting by asking a question then selecting an answer, which is easier for them to do on their own.

Reading between the lines, I think 30 points was chosen over 22 points to reduce susceptibility to spam. I can say through years of experience that 22 points is impossible for spammers to navigate as long as the approval system is in place and it sends edited posts back to the queue (which it does).

Aside: it would be good to simplify the privileges system overall:

• It's unnecessary for down-voting to be different on each section.
• The editing/retagging privileges on Meta and RMT are redundant.
• Creating new tags should be a more restricted privilege on Meta and RMT.
• I'm not against bringing back the +1 for posting an answer, since it would help people get basic privileges even if they don't have a question. (Quietly, I would like if the points system allowed for odd-numbered points.)

Comments

https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/meta/75341/would-possible-reduce-the-point-threshold-for-posting-walls

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Whoops my bad. I guess keep this in case people want to talk about the last part.

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Personally I like everything brought up here. I feel that +1 for posting an answer would be *much* better than the old +1 for upvoting, as it's less likely to be abused. If the points system was revamped to include this, would certain goals need to be changed (e.g. 100 points for new tags), or would it be insignificant enough to not necessitate those changes?

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How many answers would a typical person make before they reach 100 points? I think the difference is negligible.
Out of interest, I checked some user pages and found that +1 per answer would only make up around 5% of people's points totals. The impact is low overall.

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I'd rather not have the +1 for posting answers because I think it's more likely to encourage spam than really help people get privileges.

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I used to think that as well, but spamming answers for +1 each is a really terrible way to farm points. Votes and BAs are worth much more and incentivise care put into the answers.
I don't feel strongly about it though and maybe you're right.

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I agree with sumwun, not because of spam answers, but because of low quality and rushed answers. New users would post a lot of low quality answers to reach 22/30 points asap and since the general consensus is to keep even incorrect answers if they have any significant info, it'll increase a lot of bad answers. Especially on unanswered questions.

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...It's just a +1. I think it'll be fine if this was added again. Rushed answers wouldn't be a big issue as it's just one point. It'll also probably invite users to answer more. If their answers are good, they get upvotes and BAs, which automatically gives them extra points.

And about this suggestion, it's an awesome idea. Getting a BA is way easier than an upvote. Having access to wall posts makes communications with other users, especially staff, easier and smoother. I'd love this to be a feature.

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The fact that its a +1 is what will make new users post even more rushed or bad quality answers. And I talked about the situation when their answer is *not* good (and tbh, it is somewhat rare that a new user posts a high quality answer).

22 points requirement suggestion is a great idea tho.

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I agree with the 22 point thing.

I think that +1 for an answer is good, but it should be +1 for an answer that is over 200 characters, so people don't spam answers for points. And if the answer is hidden, the point goes away.

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The +1 would go away if the answer is hidden. However, a character requirement is not possible with the base Q2A package, so you can be confident it will never happen. (That's not to mention you can write a perfectly good answer with <200 characters.)

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Remember when fiction writers were paid by the word?
Of course you don't. None of the books from that time are worth reading.

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If you're gonna give people +1 for posting an answer, you're also gonna need to hide every answer, past and present, that doesn't have sauce on it and/or doesn't add anything to the thread. That includes moveset answers for the 2nd part.

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If that's drastic measure we'd have to take for people to be comfortable with the idea, then I guess we're not doing it.