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They're all bad in Gen 8 AG.
Oh dang really??? I
AG is primarily inhabited by legendaries, so yes. Zacian-C, Kyogre, Yveltal, Groudon, etc. are all common, and most if not all can take out Gyarados/Krookodile/Heracross with relative ease.
Here are statistics that show which Pokemon are popular among high-rated players in AG as of February. https://www.smogon.com/stats/2021-02/gen8anythinggoes-1760.txt
If you weren't expecting to play a battle format based heavily around legendaries, then stop playing AG and read about how other Smogon formats work.
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You really should not be using them in AG at all.

Krookodile's Moxie is cool, but it is too weak and too slow to be viable. It is outclassed by Excadrill as a Ground type for its ability to function as an effective suicide Stealth Rock lead, Tyranitar for its support and bulk, Yveltal for its sheer wallbreaking power or its access to some good support moves like Snarl, Foul Play, Knock Off, Defog, Roost as well as it having the best matchup against Calyrex-Shadow, the most dangerous Pokemon in Gen 8 AG, which becomes dominant once an answer is removed. Between Krookodile and Groudon, it isn't even a contest. Dynamax Groudon is bigger, faster, stronger too.

Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Stealth Rock
  • Rapid Spin
  • Rock Tomb / Iron Head

Tyranitar @ Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Rock Blast / Rock Tomb
  • Thunder Wave
  • Stealth Rock
  • Rest

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature

  • Dark Pulse
  • Oblivion Wing
  • Sucker Punch
  • Heat Wave / Focus Blast

Yveltal @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

  • Knock Off / Snarl
  • Foul Play
  • Defog / Toxic / Taunt
  • Roost

Groudon @ Life Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Precipice Blades
  • Stone Edge
  • Aerial Ace
  • Swords Dance

The answer is still the same. Outclassed, this time by the much stronger Kyogre (I'd add the Block+Calm Mind+Rest/Block+Sheer Cold set here but I don't know the exact EVs, item, and nature)

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Water Spout
  • Origin Pulse
  • Thunder
  • Ice Beam

Heracross is not a good Pokemon in Gen 8 AG either. Marshadow is much better for its ability to revenge-kill Calyrex-Shadow, and its higher Speed and better part Ghost typing.

Marshadow @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Poltergeist
  • Close Combat
  • Shadow Sneak
  • Bulk Up / Ice Punch
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Rock Tomb < Ice Punch because Ho-Oh fall in usage. zygarde is much more annoying tbh.
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Don’t use any of these in AG. They all suck.
(I’m not gonna talk about using them in AG, it’s foolish to use these Pokémon there. I’m going to talk about the tier you should be using them in. UU.)

First off, Heracross is RU, and therefore is inferior to the others, which are UU.

Krookodile and Gyarados are hard to compare. Gyarados prefers to setup with Dragon Dance, while Krookodile opts for immediate speed with a Choice Scarf.

The typing is also different. Krookodile has pretty great coverage in Ground and Dark along with lots of other coverage choices (fighting and rock being quite appealing), while having a sad 6 weaknesses. However, immunities to Electric and Psychic are helpful.

Gyarados suffers from an unfortunate lack of flying STAB, but has only two weaknesses (one of which is covered by Water, the other by Earthquake), an immunity, and 5 resistances. It has Earthquake, Crunch, Stone Edge, and others for coverage, so it’s pretty good there, too.

Honestly, it comes down to your team and personal preference. Speed immediately, Speed AND Attack from Dragon Dance? Krookodile, or Gyarados?

PS. If you want an AG Moxie user, go with Calyrex-Ice. It’s ability is an upgraded moxie, and it is atleast somewhat viable.

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"Gyarados suffers from an unfortunate lack of flying STAB"  Do you mean like good flying STAB? Because Gyarados can get Bounce. (Sorry for commenting so late...)
Yeah, I mean good flying STAB. Bounce is meh.
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I'd say, Salamence is the best moxie Pokémon than the ones you mentioned.

Here's why:

Good STAB moves and coverage moves.
Faster than Krookodile, Heracross and Gyarados.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Fang
- Dual Wingbeat

You didn’t answer the question. He asked for Gyarados, Heracross, and Krookodile specifically.
Why would anyone be using Salamence in Anything Goes, where Pokemon like Kyurem-White, Eternatus, and Yveltal exist to completely outclass it, and Zacian-Crowned, Ditto, and Calyrex-Shadow to get rid of it? Do you know anything at all about AG?
*actually ive saw it on the ladder before lol
But, it doesnt mean its good. If youre going to answer with an alternate answer, at leadt answer their question. For example, you could answer something like "gyrados is the best, but If you want moxie i might suggest salamence" Like said before, its not good, But at leadt answer the question and not just providing an alternate answer