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Disclaimer! I will be treading thin ice here, and I mean no offense to any moderator or member so please do not ban me because this is an honest question.

So, I noticed a few months ago that some mods (I will not name names) have used their power unfairly. I noticed this first when I asked my first question on the DB. I asked it, proofread it and sent it in... within a minute, it was flagged, and suddenly the chat lit up saying things like "That was a perfectly fine question." and "Why would you flag it?" This mod (who I know the name of but will not use) promptly unflagged it without an apology, then when I asked why they flagged it, they stated "Just leave it alone and stop talking about it!"

Another example was a few months back, I said the word Bish (As a suitable replacement for the b-word (Haha lol at this part). Anyways, a mod (who I still have the became of) told me not to avoid it and just say it, so I did and they kicked me.... Even though they told me to say it!

And finally, we mentioned this to mods (Again I have names) and we asked about it, band one of the mods used very innapropriate language that actually really hurt me and NOTHING HAPPENED TO HIM! These words were against my religion and used very disgusting words with it! No ban, no kick, nothing. Then when another user and I confronted him about it, we ended up cracking a joke about our native country, and the other user (who I will not use the name of) got kicked, within minutes of the mod said very rude things!

We ended up asking if there was a rule for mods etc., but they denied doing anything wrong!

I hope none of you are offended, and I also hope you all take this in to consideration.
Is there anything you can do about this?

I hope I don't get banned because of this, and I hope you listen. I don't want anybody to be mad at me either... So please think calmly about this from a concerned user!

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Just want to say, mods are NOT going to ban you for making a post like this. They're not that bad :3
Fizz, I am banning you for having the word "not" in all caps.
Do you have anything to say before the sentence is put into effect?
Regular users can flag posts as well so it might not of been a mod's for the first statement.
I may be some no ranker, but this is my opinion on these matters and I'm going to tell you them.
Also don't worry about being banned.  Everyone has their own opinion!

"I was the one who told you this iirc, and that is because more than one user clearly told you and you went on and on about it." - Ninja

Ninja said that he hid it because it was a repeat.  If it was then he was right to flag it, if not then ask him for the link to the question so you can see the answer.  There is a whole post for, Why was my Post hidden? Just ask it in the "Why was my post hidden?" thread http://pokemondb.net/pokebase/meta/16349/why-was-my-post-hidden-the-mega-thread

"Another example was a few months back, I said the word Bish  (As a suitable replacement for the b-word (Haha lol at this part). Anyways, a mod (who I still have the became of) told me not to avoid it and just say it, so I did and they kicked me.... Even though they told me to say it!"

This was most likely a misunderstanding like Ninja said.  Saying that is swearing so Mike told you to say it flat out, not that you are allowed to say it.  If a mod told you to rob a bank would you do it? No (At least it better be no).  The mods aren't the people who set the rules they just enforce them.

"These words were against my religion and used very disgusting words with it!"

This needs more info.  If he actually went out of his way to insult you then there is a problem, but if he just said something like oh my god then there is no problem.  This happens a lot in life and you should get used to it.  Also you said that you swore by saying B, so you can't be angry at other people swearing.

Again this is my opinion and I am willing to argue it.  If you find anything offensive I am sorry.  Thanks for reading!
Thanks, but I'll be honest, I have little to no proof, but I can say I'm being honest. I have a few witnesses, but I'm not looking to have trouble with Ninja. Ninja's cool, but I thought I'd mention this. I was offended, and again I'll be honest all I've received from him is arguments never an apology or even an explanation... If I even had something like that instead of an argument, I'd feel better :)

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Let me clarify why some of these things played out the way they did:

Promptly hid it without an apology, then when I a asked why they flagged it, they stated "Just leave it alone and stop talking about it!"

I was the one who told you this iirc, and that is because more than one user clearly told you and you went on and on about it.

Even though they told me to say it!

What actually happened during this situation of the swearing - Mike said that saying Bish is basically swearing and you might as well say it flat out because you would be kicked anyways, so you did.

These words were against my religion

Also none of the mods give a damn if someone says "oh my god". We aren't going to ban someone just because they offend your religion, unless they actively go out of their way to offend you. This is why we have religious discussion banned. I see no evidence of any of this, either.

You are allowed to use names, it isn't going to hurt anything. We need other people to back you up anyways.

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You don't need evidence if you have witnesses. Also it's known you cuss. Hitting the censor is just as bad as avoiding it. If you're gonna answer address everything ;P
No offence Ninja, but I personally wouldn't see this as justified reasoning. First one seems fine, but just because they don't have concrete evidence, doesn't mean it didn't happen. No one would have made this type of claim without some kind of reasoning, even if it's just a misunderstanding of rules. He wanted to know if Mods have exceptions to rules, because it seemed that way. You didn't really answer him.

Also, even if it is a bit silly to do something just because someone said too, doesn't make it take any blame of the person who said it. If the government did tell someone to jump of a building, and they did, then imagine about much BS the government would get for that. If a mod told me I could say a word I thought I couldn't, I'd say it, because Mods are ambassadors to the site's rules. Most users, especially newer ones, take a site's Mod's word and site's law.

Btw, it might have not be a convo about religion.  People are allowed to not like things that offend them, and they shouldn't have to put up with it either. I don't put up with people using the fgt term to reference a gay man, so why should anyone put up with something that offends their beliefs and way of life? If they were openly discussing Religion, then fair enough, their fault for talking about banned stuff, ofc something's gonna offend them, that's why it's banned. But if they were just talking in general,  and someone offended them, then they have the right to complain.
Saying "oh my god" isn't going to do anything. I don't really care about someone getting offended by religion unless someone was actively going out of their way to offend them.
PX, they have the right to complain, but the thing is "oh my god" is in my opinion, no way insulting any religion in any place anytime. I have plenty of religious friends (christians) and they couldn't care less if I did that (I've done it before). They can complain but the point is it was an unintentional one, and it is subject to each and every person individually - asking for a punishment simply because ONE individual considers it rude is rather far fetched. Perhaps majority. Not an individual with something that from my experience, is not considered rude. At all.
Issue 1:

If a Moderator hides something it's because it breaks the rules in someway. If you disagree with your post being hidden, ask the Mod or Editor who hid your post to politely explain why they hid it, or post on the "Why was my post hidden?" thread. By the sounds of it though, Ninja said another user had already explained to you why your post broke the rules/was hidden. So your complaint is that they hid your question without an apology? Are you forgetting about all the posts Mods/Editors approve/hide? Then they get a load of users asking on their wall "why did you hide my question?!" If people actually read the rules instead of complaining then they'd know why their post was hidden. Mods 99.9% of the time don't use their powers unjustly and in all honesty they do a good job, they don't get enough credit imo.

Issue 2:

It's just common sense if you swear in chat you're going to get banned, it is the same in any other chat room, and again part of the rules.

Issue 3:

This is a Pokémon site, not a social media site the likes of Facebook or Twitter and as such you are not asked, nor required to post details about your religion on your profile. However you can do so, if you so please, the issue regarding religion has been addressed before on the DB. To avoid religious debates and arguments people are allowed to post religious content on their profiles but not in chat. In all honestly though I don't understand how you can be offended by "oh my god", I'm christened Catholic (although I'd describe myself more as an Agnostic), and it doesn't bother me whatsoever, nor is it really harmful to anyone else and will not result in a ban.

Like Ninja said though these allegations can't be proven unless you have evidence such as screen shots etc. which you don't so it's basically your word against theirs...
Oh my god isn't offensive,but you clearly said "Jesus Cocksucking Christ"...so...
The user who was kcked was Arcazeus,The person who never explained why they flagged my question was Indigo,the one who swore and was religiously rude was,you guessed it Ninja!And the one who told me to swear was Pikamaster...
Also,Ninja was only there for the swearing and country incident,so idk why he was answering for the others...I did mention them to him,but,no offense,He cannot say something happened if he was not a witness..I hate to be this guy,but I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately,and I don't like to see others angry or set or hateful,so I hope everyone is accepting of this...
Arcazeus and Scraf are my witnesses...
i remember when ninja kicked me, good times
Users are not necessarily obliged to explain flagging. It's nice, but not necessary. If it is against the rules, it will be hidden, it will be flagged. You can ask on the thread "why was my post hidden" about it, but don't complain about a single user flagging you.
Religiously rude? We try to AVOID anything to do with Religion in Chat. Anything that you may consider "religiously rude" is probably not intentional, and a person will not change how they speak just because a SINGLE individual considers it rude.
Let's ASSUME for a moment he said "Jesus Cocksucking Christ".
This is NOT describing Jesus as someone who 'sucks cock'. It's an added word to put emphasis how annoyed/pissed off Ninja is. If you interpreted i wrong, too bad, you can ask him to clarify or something, but it is not appropriate to try get someone punished simply because you misunderstood that person and took it in the wrong context.
So because Pikamaster, a user on the Site, not even a mod, told you to swear you swear. So if Pikamaster told you to spam chat would you do it? If he told you to quit Pokemon forever would you do it? (I'm going to avoid the jump of a cliff scenario, because frankly that one is bs). What a SINGLE person says should not be taken into heart. He was jesting, and the fact is, you took it completely wrong.

Ninja can draw conclusions from what he knows and try help you if he wants. You didn't take screenshots. That's your fault. Witnesses are fine and all, but you NEED screenshots to actually prove it. Who's to say that your two witnesses aren't actually friends of yours and are all tricking us (This isn't true because we all know and hate, I mean luv Scraf, but I'm just saying).
When I say, "oh my god" I am referring to my god, rather than the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic God.
Who is my god? Obviously Bastet, the Egyptian Goddess of cats.
I worship Sobek.
Sobek > Bastet.
I'd like to say that I wasn't taking Pado's side in this, I just asked for better reasoning than what Ninja initially gave, and we got it :D.

Also, Anubis > all other Egyptian Gods/Deitys
Bacchus please.
Can I put my two cents here?
Oh well too bad.

Issue 1:
I think this has already been addressed fairly well. And apparently I'm the problem here.
But how did you figure out that it was me? Because if I said I flagged it, I probably would have explained why.
I don't remember this question, but sorry 'bout that. It was probably against the rules though, I wouldn't flag things unreasonably.

Issue 2:
I was reading this and wondering which mod would actually do such a thing. Then I read it was Pikamaster and it all makes sense now. :P This was just you falling for a joke. A mod wouldn't ASK you to swear, since it is quite clearly against the rules. Just don't swear, and use euphemisms I guess if you want to swear I guess.

Issue 3:
Okay, although I don't say 'oh my god' as I myself believe it is a wrongful thing to say, really, none of the mods care tbh. Of course, 'Jesus Cocksucking Christ' is a highly offensive thing to say, but I believe he just put 'Cocksucking' in as a word for emphasis. However, Ninja should have been a bit more careful about what he said though, since this could be highly offensive to some people. I mean, get over 'oh my god', you're never gonna stop hearing it. You don't hear that every day though, and if you said that loudly in a shopping center for example, even some non-religious people should find that offensive. But if you said 'oh my god' out loud nobody would really care.
Well, this is what it comes down to whenever religion is mentioned.
For all you know maybe the offense was an accident

But srsly, uttering one cuss doesn't make someone deserving of a kick really :P
I know for a fact that there are a few pardons given before someone is actually kicked
I don't want anyone to be punished,and I'm not angry with any of you,But I just thought I'd ask or mention this,cuz I agree, Oh my god,doesn't offend me,I say it myself,And Indigo,I'm not mad, just using the example,And BTW,If pikamaster wasn't a mod than its my own fault,But I'll be honest...Like I said Oh my god-I say it myself-But JCC is a bit much,And I know you didn't mean it like Jesus sucks-c but it was still uncalled for..Idk,I just thougt I'd mention it,and that's the way I feel about it...But I'll be honest,I'm still kinda wondering about the actual question I asked...
I'm gonna get a lot of haters for this all now :3
I swear all the ******* time :D

And the Pikamaster thing made me laugh so hard. he probably got him confused with PM
So saying "Oh my god" is fine, but the other thing, probably not.

And also Arceus is the coolest god.
I'd just like to add this:

"So, I noticed a few months ago that some mods (I will not name names) have used their power unfairly."

"The user who was kcked was Arcazeus,The person who never explained why they flagged my question was Indigo,the one who swore and was religiously rude was,you guessed it Ninja!And the one who told me to swear was Pikamaster...
commented 17 hours ago  by  Pado00405"

The only Moderator you mentioned above is Ninja, so why are you complaining about all the Moderators in general? Because that's what it sounds like to me... well it at least sounds like you're complaining about more than one. In any case even if Ninja did say "Jesus Cocksucking Christ", I'm positive he didn't intend to say it in an offensive way, to me it just signifies someone's annoyance and/or frustration. Everyone swears now and again even if they don't mean it, if you're telling me you never swear then are you also telling me you're a saint?

Pikamaster is a nice guy but he is a wind up merchant, who likes to troll gullible people. So if it's anyone's fault, it's your fault for being gullible and actually believing him, you must of surely known it's part of the rules on the site and that people have been banned numerous times for swearing and being abusive in chat.

You can't possibly know it was Indigo that flagged your post, unless she revealed she flagged your post to you or someone else. But in any case Indigo is not obliged to explain why she flagged your post, or issue an apology for flagging a post that was not breaking the rules in anyway and neither is any other user. If Indigo did flag it, it probably would not be without reason, however she could of accidentally clicked the flag button (not saying this is how it happened) but it is a possibility, I myself have accidentally flagged many posts when I've been on my mobile (unflagged afterwards of course). But anyone can get something wrong, heck even the police can get it wrong from time to time, that's why they have the powers to de-arrest a detainee, Indigo if anything is just fulfilling her Expert responsibilities to the site.
Dan, no need to carry on, I'm pretty sure we've covered everything. You seem way to defensive on the Mods' side, and while the Mods are usually right, you need to take both sides in equal perspective. You're kind just saying "well this is why you're wrong there" or "the Mod said this so they're right". Instead, try to understand why they're feeling like they did, hit both ways.

Also, I don't think they're having a go at the mods at all, just confused about what happened and why some were punished and others weren't, so needed some explanations. We're all entitled into knowing why certain events occurred to them. Even if they are wrong or misunderstood, you can't just shrug them off.
What can I say, I just like to debate :3
But yeah I was just presenting my take on the situation, which just so happened to be the opposing argument.
My last comment was supposed to be my last, so I'll stop commenting from this comment on.
@Pado what is the question you asked though? Do you get kicked for swearing? You won't get kicked for saying something once, you'll get warned, but if you continue then you'll get the boot.
I swore once,one time
From what I understand of this, you swore more than once:
"Another example was a few months back, I said the word Bish (As a suitable replacement for the b-word (Haha lol at this part). Anyways, a mod (who I still have the became of) told me not to avoid it and just say it, so I did and they kicked me.... Even though they told me to say it!"
I assume it was Pikamaster who told you that? He's not a mod, so you really shouldn't have trusted him (this has been addressed above). So that means it was a different person who kicked you from chat, and that it was Pikamaster and you who were at fault and not the mod who kicked you.
OK,I swore once the Bish stuff,and I was trolled and said it,so I agree my fault,but that was the only time.I have been kicked three times,Once because of what I just said,Once because I used all caps in one sentence,and once because (I think I said something and someone took it the wrong way,but I apologized)I rarely use this chat anymore and all of these happened a while ago.
I have no problem with Ninja. I'm sure he's a nice person, but he was not, I repeat not there for most of this. He said JCC, and when I thought about mentioning that I thought I'd mention other things that I wondered about. I'm not looking for a big fight or problem, I just wanna know why/what happened every time, and so far I've only received one answer from someone who wasn't even there.
Ninja is a she XD
^ {filler}
Wow... Alright so don't believe everything that's in a profile and if they say it in chat they're probably trolling. Ninja is a guy (Ik his name so :P)
Ugh, I already changed from he yo she...It'll have to stay that way unless a mod wants to change it