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Drapion is using the scope lens/sniper/night slash moveset, while haxorus is using the standard Ddance plus outrage. Both know earthquake and a poison move.

Rest of my team

Mega Manectric
Greninja
Shaymin
Ferrothorn(Defense and HP set)
Snorlax(special def and HP)

Please help with this as I am making a new competitive team!

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Honestly, both of them are pretty worthless. There's no reason to use Drapion when you can use Yveltal, and there's no reason to use Haxorus when you can use Salamence.
Well if you're not mega evolving Salamence it's pretty trash compared to Dragonite.
That's exactly why you do mega evolve Salamence.
MegaMence is way too easily countered. Used it and it's way too frail :/
But how is Haxorus any less frail or easier to counter?
> frail
> easily countered
Pretty sure 95/130/90 defences and 145/120 offences + Aerilate is quite literally the opposite of easily countered lol. If you think Mega Salamence is bad your standards are way too high.
Well Haxorus only has three weaknesses, and Salamence has four but ice is 4x effective, so ice beam is a killer. Besides, in my opinion I think mega-evolving is overrated. Sure it's useful but mega Pokemon can be KOed with a regular old Pokemon that have stat boosts from moves like swords dance, and you can still KO them without mega-evolving.
If you want to play the typing game, Salamence has an extra resistance and an immunity to Ground that Haxorus does not have, as well as access to dual STAB coverage. And yes, you're absolutely right that Mega Evolved Pokemon can be knocked out by standard form Pokemon... but so can every Pokemon. I don't know what you're trying to argue.
Regardless, whether or not you personally think Mega Pokemon are overrated isn't pertinent to Salamence's overall viability. If you're so insistent that Mega Salamence is worse than Haxorus, then you'd need to explain why it is present on 34% of all high-rating Battle Spot teams and Haxorus on 0.2%. And maybe touch on how it is that Salamence is regarded a top-tier threat in Ubers while Haxorus languishes in UU.
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2018-02/gen7battlespotsingles-1760.txt
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usm-ubers-viability-ranking-thread-february-update-42.3623296/
About mega salamence, I run focus sash Weavile with icicle crash and one shot perfect ones every times
Then you're playing against people who cannot execute basic prediction and switch out when they see a Pokemon that runs Focus Sash on a standard set. Assuming you are not the type to make such a poor decision, you would be able to switch out when there is a Weavile in play and retain Salamence, which you may then use once Weavile is eliminated.
A Pokemon is not useless because it has one 4x weakness. It can be played around. And in this case, it puts immense pressure on the opponent to keep Weavile alive, because if they don't, they could lose immediately if Salamence sets up Dragon Dance.
If we're still talking about Haxorus, the exact same thing would happen to it against Weavile anyway.
I did not say that Mega Salamence is worse, you are just putting words in my mouth doing that, neither am I "so" insisting it, this is just my second comment. What I was stating was that mega-evolved Pokemon are not all powerful and cannot be dealt with by regular Pokemon.
Something that isn't all-powerful can still be good.
Okay, fair enough: I was under the impression you were trying to reason the asker's argument and I'm sorry I addressed you that way. However I still do not believe your point proves much in this discussion. Nobody has said anything about Mega Salamence being all-powerful, just very threatening.
Hold up, you’re twisting my words. I never said MegaMence was bad, it’s amazing when it outspeeds a pokemon, but in my opinion, Salamence with Return isn’t as viable as other megas I’ve used, such as manectric. I have a MegaMence that I use in 1v1s but I don’t find it as viable in 6v6 with Mega Altaria with return and pixelate, as the defenses are so much better
And sumwun, I agree Mega Salamence is op, being one of the best megas in gen 6. But with my standards, with good enough coverage on my team, I can’t really see a niche for it. I already have haxorus for physical sweeper and I like to DDance with focus sash on Haxorus, and then on Mega Salamence would be destroyed with an outrage
Also this question went off topic, as the argument was between Drapion and Haxorus, not Salamence
If you like mega Manectric so much, then use a Rayquaza. Rayquaza doesn't take up the mega slot.

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I suggest Haxorus.

Drapion is a slightly bulkier Pokemon. His only weakness, ground, is shared by Manectric, who functions mainly as a offensive pivot. Drapion would not be able to reliably switch into attacks targeting Manectric. Drapion's 25% chance to land a crit, plus the 1.5x bonus of sniper could be devastating, but Haxorus is more predictable in his power.

Because Haxorus is a dragon type, there will be plenty of opportunities to switch him in, although you'll want to aim for later on in the match. The other members of your team do pretty well against fairy-types. Shaymin and Greninja can deal with anything really problematic, and an Overheat or Flamethower from Manectric will do devastating damage. They should be able to clear the way for Haxorus.
As long as Haxorus gets a chance to set up, it will destroy.
(he'll need at least one Dragon Dance under his belt, preferably two)

Wrap-up:
You already have two pretty good defensive mons, as well as two great special attackers and an offensive pivot.
Haxorus should complement your team nicely.

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